Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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Keys represent authority. By virtue of being given more work and being used to write more scripture, Paul exercised more authority. He also withstood Peter to his face over poor doctrinal practice. Did Paul overstep his authority?
In Matthew 28, was Peter singled out to receive authority that that the other Apostles didn't receive? Why not?
Does Peter speak with more authority than Paul?
Does Paul say what Peter is writing things difficult to understand?
Again, Peter was given a great position of authority in the early church. But his authority came from Jesus. And nowhere does the Bible assert that he had the authority to choose a successor, or any else for that matter. According to Ephesians 4, it is God who gives some to be Apostles, prophets, etc.
More work never means more authority, that's ridiculous. Paul did rebuke Peter, and Peter was humble, not like the current pope, who thinks he is infallible. I never claimed Peter was infallible either, so no Paul did not overstep.

In Mathew 28 all disciples had authority to go out and make other disciples, but Peter was still chief, as evident in the verse I provided. Peter was generally first to speak and to punish and excommunicate people, so yes, he spoke with authority.
I don't see what being difficult to understand has anything to do with having authority.
Mathew 16:19 in light of Isiah 22 is what proves the line of succession - a king (Jesus) gave keys to the kingdom (heaven) to his chief stewart (Peter) that has the power to open and shut (bind and loose) and is passed down to his posterity (bishops).
 

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Catholics always want to elevate Peter, just as they elevate Mary.

Both go directly against what Jesus explicitly said.
That's a strawman, I don't support elevating Mary. I already provided dozens of verses that prove Peter was chief among the apostles. Jesus made Peter the chief and told him and only him to feed his sheep.
 

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On the one hand you say we must submit to the RCC, as if it was Biblically endorsed for us to do so,
but on the other hand the RCC has spit us out and said we are going to hell because we do not believe
their anti-Biblical dogmas, which are mandated for the Catholic, but which go against what God's Word says.
So you pit your faulty understanding against Biblical truth and say we (not you) are in the wrong. Too funny.
No, you use your faulty understanding of the Bible to justify your rebellion against God. All authority is sanctioned by God and rebelling against it is rebelling against God. What the government does also goes against what God's word says, but Romans 13:1 still commands us to obey their authority (whenever it doesn't go against God).
 

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Most of them. Where it matters. How many times will we have this same question and answer?
If you would have answered in the first place instead of dancing around the question, I wouldn't be asking it again.
 

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No, you use your faulty understanding of the Bible to justify your rebellion against God.
All authority is sanctioned by God and rebelling against it is rebelling against God. What
the government does also goes against what God's word says, but Romans 13:1 still
commands us to obey their authority (whenever it doesn't go against God).
You miss the point. Oh well. Have fun with your apostate pedophile popes.
 

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That's a strawman, I don't support elevating Mary. I already provided dozens of verses that prove Peter
was chief among the apostles. Jesus made Peter the chief and told him and only him to feed his sheep.
If you do not elevate Mary you are rejecting what the RCC teaches
about her, shame on you and your faulty understanding, boooo.


See? I told you you missed the point.
 

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You miss the point. Oh well. Have fun with your apostate pedophile popes.
I did not miss your point at all and I understand your disdain and your rebellion, I was the same way just a few months ago. You, however, missed my point entirely - it doesn't matter how corrupt they are, just like it doesn't matter how corrupt the government of your country is, you still have to obey ALL laws that don't go against the word of God. When you rebel against authority (without a cause) you rebel against God.
 

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On the one hand you say we must submit to the RCC, as if it was Biblically endorsed for us to do so,
but on the other hand the RCC has spit us out and said we are going to hell because we do not believe
their anti-Biblical dogmas, which are mandated for the Catholic, but which go against what God's Word says.
So you pit your faulty understanding against Biblical truth and say we (not you) are in the wrong. Too funny.
it's more historically accurate to demand we submit to the orthodox churches of the eastern roman empire than the RCC which was undeniably apostate since 9th century at the latest - and the head of the orthodox church of the Roman empire is today Moscow.

but these are gentile churches one and all. and the same breath saying Peter is not apostle to the gentiles says Peter is head of the gentile church of the roman empire, whose throne has not been in Rome for 1800 years.

it's ridiculous, from every angle.
 

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If you do not elevate Mary you are rejecting what the RCC teaches
about her, shame on you and your faulty understanding, boooo.


See? I told you you missed the point.
Moot point. Pharisees also had heretical teaching, and yet Jesus told everyone to obey them within the context of God's word (Mathew 23:3). You have to do anything the authority tells you, unless it contradicts the word of God. How many times do I have to repeat it before you understand? Yes, you do have to reject anything ungodly that authority commands you to do, but other than that, you have to obey ALL authority.
 

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I did not miss your point at all and I understand your disdain and your rebellion, I was the same way just a few months ago. You, however, missed my point entirely - it doesn't matter how corrupt they are, just like it doesn't matter how corrupt the government of your country is, you still have to obey ALL laws that don't go against the word of God. When you rebel against authority (without a cause) you rebel against God.
Yes, you did. You act like we can just join some church that doesn't want us. You seem totally ignorant of
the fact that you cannot be accepted by the corrupt and evil RCC if you do not accept their Marion ideology.


Their Marion ideology which is against the Word of God and the very words of Jesus.

Dogmas which they declare from the seat of Peter (ex cathedra) making them mandatory for the Catholic.

So you contradict yourself. We have discussed these points before. You do not learn because you are unteachable.
 

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I did not miss your point at all and I understand your disdain and your rebellion, I was the same way just a few months ago. You, however, missed my point entirely - it doesn't matter how corrupt they are, just like it doesn't matter how corrupt the government of your country is, you still have to obey ALL laws that don't go against the word of God. When you rebel against authority (without a cause) you rebel against God.
kjv was written by people excommunicated from the RCC

does that matter

are we consistent
 

posthuman

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Moot point. Pharisees also had heretical teaching, and yet Jesus told everyone to obey them within the context of God's word (Mathew 23:3). You have to do anything the authority tells you, unless it contradicts the word of God. How many times do I have to repeat it before you understand? Yes, you do have to reject anything ungodly that authority commands you to do, but other than that, you have to obey ALL authority.
the very idea that the RCC has authority over all Christians is ungodly.

so.
 

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the very idea that the RCC has authority over all Christians is ungodly.

so.
And stupid. The RCC does not even want those who reject their heretical, unBiblical ex cathedra dogmas.
 

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Yes, you did. You act like we can just join some church that doesn't want us. You seem totally ignorant of
the fact that you cannot be accepted by the corrupt and evil RCC if you do not accept their Marion ideology.
You're just presupposing stuff baselessly. Have you even been to a Catholic church? Did they make you sign a waver commanding you to worship Mary? It is not your place to make these decisions. RCC has authority according to the Bible, and if more people actually joined and, they would eventually move away from their heresies, just like they keep moving towards liberalism - it's because many of their members become liberal. If more conservative Bible believers joined, they would have no choice but to adjust themselves and move away from their heresies. They are very greedy and money-hungry, so they will abandon anything that causes their members to protest with their wallets. I'm willing to bet they would abandon Jesus himself if enough people stopped tithing, so off coarse they would've had no problem abandoning their heresies.
 

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So you really know nothing about ex cathedra dogmas after all your stupid blather. Not surprising.
You keep repeating the same false argument about them being corrupt and dogmatic. I've already told you the Pharisees were just as corrupt and Jesus still told everyone to obey them.