We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign

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You need to come to Jesus and accept Him as your Lord and Savior today, my dear friend.

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
I've already done that. The problem is with you - you worship a false version of Jesus inspired by Paulianity not Christianity.
 

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Show me one verse in the OT that says that the New Covenant is about Jesus' death on the cross.
Isaiah 53:
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Hebrews 12:
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
 

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The New Covenant starts after the Lost Tribes of Israel are brought back and reunited with the Jews - Isaiah 49. How will we know if we are in the New Covenant? We won't have to preach the Gospel then cause there won't be any false god thereafter. Just one true G-d - who son is Jesus Christ!
The New Covenant was bought by the precious blood of our Savior. If you are a Christian, you have been reconciled to God through Christ’s death on the Cross. This New Covenant is for the Christian TODAY and forEVER. You are somehow conflating the New Covenant with the Millennium.
 
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your profile says you're a Christian.

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As a person who accepts Jesus as the Messiah? Yes. As a person who belongs to the filthy religion that is called Christianity today? Heck, no. Do you think the early Christians will be proud of the mess we've/you've all created? I include myself because if I don't fight against evil, then even I am evil.
 
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Isaiah 53:
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Hebrews 12:
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Only one of them qualifies as the OT from your comment. But even that doesn't say that it is the New Covenant - specifically the one mentioned in Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

Again, I repeat (and selah keeps distorting my message) - even I believe we are in a new covenant but just like Moses, Abraham and others had separate promises/covenants inside what we call the Old Covenant, even Jesus' new covenant is part of that Old Covenant and the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah and Ezekiel will come to play only during the millennial reign of Jesus. That's when the promises of that New Covenant will come to pass. The Old Covenant prophecies are still unfulfilled and Jesus Himself said that it will be. If that has not yet been fulfilled, then the New Covenant cannot start.
 

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As a person who accepts Jesus as the Messiah? Yes. As a person who belongs to the filthy religion that is called Christianity today? Heck, no. Do you think the early Christians will be proud of the mess we've/you've all created? I include myself because if I don't fight against evil, then even I am evil.
why do you say it's, er, filthy, and what is the so-called mess?
 
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why do you say it's, er, filthy, and what is the so-called mess?
Isaiah 28 -

Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim,
Whose glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [a]verdant valleys,
To those who are overcome with wine!
2 Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one,
Like a tempest of hail and a destroying storm,
Like a flood of mighty waters overflowing,
Who will bring them down to the earth with His hand.
3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim,
Will be trampled underfoot;
4 And the glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [b]verdant valley,
Like the first fruit before the summer,
Which an observer sees;
He eats it up while it is still in his hand.

5 In that day the Lord of hosts will be
For a crown of glory and a diadem of beauty
To the remnant of His people,
6 For a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment,
And for strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

7 But they also have erred through wine,
And through intoxicating drink are out of the way;
The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink,
They are swallowed up by wine,
They are out of the way through intoxicating drink;
They err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filth;
No place
is clean.

9 “Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was to them,
“Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,”
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.
 

notmyown

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Isaiah 28 -

Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim,
Whose glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [a]verdant valleys,
To those who are overcome with wine!
2 Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one,
Like a tempest of hail and a destroying storm,
Like a flood of mighty waters overflowing,
Who will bring them down to the earth with His hand.
3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim,
Will be trampled underfoot;
4 And the glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [b]verdant valley,
Like the first fruit before the summer,
Which an observer sees;
He eats it up while it is still in his hand.

5 In that day the Lord of hosts will be
For a crown of glory and a diadem of beauty
To the remnant of His people,
6 For a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment,
And for strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

7 But they also have erred through wine,
And through intoxicating drink are out of the way;
The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink,
They are swallowed up by wine,
They are out of the way through intoxicating drink;
They err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filth;
No place
is clean.

9 “Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was to them,
“Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,”
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.
oh, wow. okay, then.
 

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Isaiah 28 -

Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim,
Whose glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [a]verdant valleys,
To those who are overcome with wine!
2 Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one,
Like a tempest of hail and a destroying storm,
Like a flood of mighty waters overflowing,
Who will bring them down to the earth with His hand.
3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim,
Will be trampled underfoot;
4 And the glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the [b]verdant valley,
Like the first fruit before the summer,
Which an observer sees;
He eats it up while it is still in his hand.

5 In that day the Lord of hosts will be
For a crown of glory and a diadem of beauty
To the remnant of His people,
6 For a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment,
And for strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

7 But they also have erred through wine,
And through intoxicating drink are out of the way;
The priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink,
They are swallowed up by wine,
They are out of the way through intoxicating drink;
They err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filth;
No place
is clean.

9 “Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was to them,
“Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,”
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.
How do you get this referring to Christianity and not Ephraim?
 
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How do you get this referring to Christianity and not Ephraim?
Good Question. So you're starting to get into my mind.

Do you know who Ephraim is referring to here and elsewhere? They are the Northern 10 Lost Tribes that is led by the tribe of Ephraim (because Jacob's blessing went to him instead of Joseph). I am theorizing that most of the Western Christians (Commonwealth nations) are the Lost Tribes of Israel - hence why there used to be prosperity when we followed the commandments (and didn't just preach the Gospel) according to the blessings to each tribe. The youngest is USA who came from Britain - Ephraim from Manasseh and the word Ephraim means "twice bountiful" - twice as bountiful as Britain. So why are we falling apart? We are repeating the same mistake Israel made - allowed the worship of false gods inside our land, strayed away from following the commandments, and made our own cult of human followers that really doesn't care about G-d but just about our identity.
 

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Good Question. So you're starting to get into my mind.

Do you know who Ephraim is referring to here and elsewhere? They are the Northern 10 Lost Tribes that is led by the tribe of Ephraim (because Jacob's blessing went to him instead of Joseph). I am theorizing that most of the Western Christians (Commonwealth nations) are the Lost Tribes of Israel - hence why there used to be prosperity when we followed the commandments (and didn't just preach the Gospel) according to the blessings to each tribe. The youngest is USA who came from Britain - Ephraim from Manasseh and the word Ephraim means "twice bountiful" - twice as bountiful as Britain. So why are we falling apart? We are repeating the same mistake Israel made - allowed the worship of false gods inside our land, strayed away from following the commandments, and made our own cult of human followers that really doesn't care about G-d but just about our identity.
Good Question. So you're starting to get into my mind.

Do you know who Ephraim is referring to here and elsewhere? They are the Northern 10 Lost Tribes that is led by the tribe of Ephraim (because Jacob's blessing went to him instead of Joseph). I am theorizing that most of the Western Christians (Commonwealth nations) are the Lost Tribes of Israel - hence why there used to be prosperity when we followed the commandments (and didn't just preach the Gospel) according to the blessings to each tribe. The youngest is USA who came from Britain - Ephraim from Manasseh and the word Ephraim means "twice bountiful" - twice as bountiful as Britain. So why are we falling apart? We are repeating the same mistake Israel made - allowed the worship of false gods inside our land, strayed away from following the commandments, and made our own cult of human followers that really doesn't care about G-d but just about our identity.
I do not get your mind at all. This is all supposition. You are teaching based on a premise that the Bible doesn't record. You are basically making stuff up.
 

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Jesus said everything in the Old Covenant will be fulfilled? Has it? No. So how can we enter a New Covenant before that?
Using Scripture, can you back up your belief that every OT prophesy must be fulfilled before the New Covenant takes effect?
 
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As a person who accepts Jesus as the Messiah? Yes. As a person who belongs to the filthy religion that is called Christianity today? Heck, no. Do you think the early Christians will be proud of the mess we've/you've all created? I include myself because if I don't fight against evil, then even I am evil.
Shalom DavidIsrael,

instead of using Wine, i would have used, Christians, have diverted into individual Sects [Denominations], then there's the "man-made Doctrines within each said [Sects/Denomination].

in essence, they have become the Pharisees, Scribes, Sadducees of Yeshua's Day, in trying to interpret Yeshua's Gospel.
 

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“The law and the prophets ( old covenant ) were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, ( new covenant ) and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, ( the end of our world ) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:29-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

the field is the world;

the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

the enemy that sowed them is the devil;

the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s the Old Testament which promosed th e new testement
 

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A lot of dislikes by the user "selahsays". Now I know why Paul said, "women must keep their mouths shut".

I would love to know why she uses the dislike button, BTW. I don't mind the dislikes, just prefer getting a reason for the same.
You contradict yourself.

Men are the philosophical powerhouses of society but there are no longer any real men in society. All just
women and effeminate men who follow the popular idea and feel comforted by groupthink and a sense of
belonging. When men stopped thinking, women started taking center-stage and society started dying.
Are you an effeminate man? .:oops:
 

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Using Scripture, can you back up your belief that every OT prophesy must be fulfilled before the New Covenant takes effect?
a Jesus said everything about him wrotten would be fulfilled much of the ot isnt prophetic it’s a record of Israel’s history with god but within it there are prophecies concerning chrirt and the kingdom he specifically says

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot you find the gospel layed out completely in prophecy from Jesus birth to his ascention to the throne and his return
 

Magenta

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Jesus said everything about him wrotten would be fulfilled much of the ot isnt prophetic it’s a record of Israel’s
history with god but within it there are prophecies concerning chrirt and the kingdom he specifically says

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things
must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot you find the gospel layed out completely in prophecy from Jesus birth to his ascention to the throne and his return
All things must be fulfilled before the New Covenant comes into effect?

Jesus said it was finished but OP says we are not in the NC yet.
 

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Hooke's law specifies that it is only valid for relatively small deformation. if you stretch a spring so much that the material loses its form, of course the properties of the spring change.
 

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