Israel Declares War

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Yahshua

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Tell again how "going going gone" could possibly be the least bit debatable.
I'm not debating it either, I was commenting on the Hitler reference and who we've been told he is and the thought came to mind. We know that media can't be trusted, but such a truth isn't new. For instance, check out this video...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KwksL-onuOtFWaNmIFArrW528I_Jx9Ff/view?usp=sharing

We have been told that Hitler exterminated 6 million European Jews...but based on the media of the time (i.e., newspapers), 6 million Jews were being killed or starved at least on two separate occasions for at least a decade prior to Hitler, and across several nations like Russia, Ukraine, and Palestine. But there were only 14 million Jews on Earth in the 1920s, so the census isn't reconciling with what we've been told.

I'm not pardoning Hitler, I'm just saying I'm interested to see just how deceived we've all been about a great many people when the time comes.
 

Yahshua

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We are one body because we are in Christ. But we don't always act as a whole or unified body. Scripture teaches that we are to endeavor to keep the unity of the faith. Scripture itself recognizes the reality of not being completely unified. So I see a contradiction in what we are called to, but not a contradiction with the reality of the body of Christ. So your assessment is correct, but it is also what I meant.
My reasons for supporting Israel have nothing to do with the Bible. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and are a strong ally. They are a trading partner as well as a source of intelligence.
Ok, fair enough.
 

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Why don't you read and study Isaiah, Ezekiel, and many of the other prophets who spoke of the redemption and restoration of Israel under Christ. And why don't you just go to Romans 11 in the NT?

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers'
[patriarchs'] sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

There si so much that can be added:

I refer you to Yahshua who posted in relation to Romans 11 & the people who are presently in the holy land – which has been put so well.

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I add:

> Roman 11:26: is meant to be quoting Isaiah

Isaiah 59:20-21: “The Redeemer will come to (not from) Zion, to those in Jacob who repent (not all only who repent) of their sins,” declares the LORD.

Isaiah 35:10 So the redeemed of the LORD will return and enter Zion with singing,

Hebrew 12:22 - But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

Romans 8:9 ….anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

[I don’t think the Jews have the spirit of Christ)


2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ… There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:16, 28-29)


“Let no foreigners who have bound themselves to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely exclude me from his people.” … foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants … who hold fast to my covenantthese I will bring to my holy mountain… for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”” (Isaiah 56:3-7)

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate” (Matt. 23:37–38).

....‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Since you eat meat with the blood still in it and look to your idols and shed blood, should you then possess the land? You rely on your sword, you do detestable things... Should you then possess the land?’ … I will make the land a desolate waste, and her proud strength will come to an end.’ (Ezekiel 33:24-26, 28-29)

“You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.” (Ezekiel 47:21-23)

Jeremiah
31:31 – new covenant
31:32 - not like the covenant that I made with their fathers

Isaiah 42:10 - Sing unto the LORD a new song

John 4:21 - Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Matt 21:43 - Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

"End of Times Prophecies against Egypt, Syria and the rest of Arabia", Isaiah 17, Isaiah 19 and other so-called "prophecies" from Ezekiel and Zachariah, and other books, were talking about giving Syria and Egypt to Iraq's King, Nebuchadnezzar!.

Also, the story of Gideon and his men in Psalms 83, Judges 8:27-35 and Jeremiah 21 are not about the Arabs today. They're about the pagans who fought the Israelites and actually ended up killing all of the Israelites who fought them, because Gideon and his men setup idol gods after their first victory against the pagans.
 

HeIsHere

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Warfare against sworn enemies is definitely not genocide.
In case anyone should believe this, it is absolutely the wrong application of international law in this situation.

You cannot use the words/terms of the law and then turn around and state the law has no merit.
 

HeIsHere

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So which "Arab" nations are defending the Gazans? Absolutely nobody. No refugee outreach either.
If fact if you care to notice, there were a few speeches to placate the masses.....and now crickets.


So you want those Arab nations to act like the USA?
I think they are far more aware than you realize. The USA is drunk on its own power and has been for a long time.
 

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Then you are in favor of might makes right.
Might sometimes makes right. Let's pray that all those that support Israel's destruction are eradicated or expulsed.

I am sure that the Native Americans would have like to expell the invaders if they had had the power.
I am a Native American. I was born here. My father was born here. His father was born here. I can trace roots back at least to the 1600s. How long does a people have to have ancestors live in an area before they are considered Native?

On top of that, I have been told I have some American Indian blood. Although I don't know which tribe.

EVERY speck of land on Earth has been conquered, and reconquered over and over again, accompanied by massive deportations as a byproduct.

Why does America, the West and Israel get 99% of the blame for "colonization"?

But setting all that aside, there is ONLY one particular piece of Land the Creator of the Universe has promised to a particular people.

See, it always comes back to the destructive heresy of AMIL!!!!!
 

cv5

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I think they are far more aware than you realize.
What in the world is that supposed to mean relative to my post?
The point is......the Arab nations are doing jack squat. No defending and no refugee remedies.

Zero nothing nada.
 

HeIsHere

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EVERY speck of land on Earth has been conquered, and reconquered over and over again, accompanied by massive deportations as a byproduct.
And it has never been right unless ordained by God and as far as I know God has not provided any modern day prophets sent to the Jews to steal homes and and kill the people living there and or expel them.

Another thing you fail to address are the broken promises by the conquering nations.
Is that how God works with underhanded double dealings?

I am sorry but the creation of modern day Israel is not biblically ordained.
Now they have a right to a homeland but that in no way justifies what Britain and the Jews did to the inhabitants.

It really is not a good argument to state these evils have always existed so that provides justification for them to continue to occur.
 

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In case anyone should believe this, it is absolutely the wrong application of international law in this situation.

You cannot use the words/terms of the law and then turn around and state the law has no merit.
But wait? Invasion, kidnapping and murder of Israeli civilians is perfectly fine under this "international law" that you lean on so much?
Not to mention the ceaseless fusillades of Hamas/Hezbollah rockets meant to kill civilians.
 

cv5

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I am sorry but the creation of modern day Israel is not biblically ordained.
The 70th week of Daniel tribulation DEMANDS a people and nation Israel.
And so does the Second Coming.

Despising prophecy is the worst failing of the Laodicean social justice self-righteous hypocritical "Church" of today.
 

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This video is 12 years old... obviously before Oct 7th. I'm curious how the average American would react if a foreign government sends their civilians to steal part of people's homes (or the entire home altogether). For those that don't know, East Jerusalem does not belong to Israel and settling there is an international war crime.

If people were consistent with their argument, they would probably respond with, "The foreign government offered you and your family the garage while their citizens take the rest of the house, but you rejected peace! You are a warmongering terrorist!"
 

cv5

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East Jerusalem does not belong to Israel.
Word up bro:
East Jerusalem, west Jerusalem and ALL of Jerusalem belongs to the God of Israel. Let me know if you require proof texts (I sure hope that you DO NOT).

The sons of Jacob are servants to Him and effectively tenants. And they will surely occupy THE LAND
to the full extent of all the borders so promised to Abraham.

Jerusalem:
Jehovah Jireh Salam - God will provide peace.

Gen 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Gen 22:14
And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
 

Smoke

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Word up bro:
East Jerusalem, west Jerusalem and ALL of Jerusalem belongs to the God of Israel. Let me know if you require proof texts (I sure hope that you DO NOT).

The sons of Jacob are servants to Him and effectively tenants. And they will surely occupy THE LAND
to the full extent of all the borders so promised to Abraham.

Jerusalem:
Jehovah Jireh Salam - God will provide peace.

Gen 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Gen 22:14
And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
I understand that your interpretation of scripture means Israel isn't committing an international war crime by kicking Palestinians out of their homes and settling Israeli families in them.

Let's assume your interpretation is fact for a minute and the occupied land which not even the US recognizes Israeli's sovereignty over 100% belongs to Israel. Does this mean that Palestinians must give all possessions, including their home, to the Jews? It's one thing to settle and build new homes and it's another to straight up steal one... isn't it? Surely, the lesser evil is to build on occupied land.... but to steal homes too?

Even if I had the same interpretation as you and feel Israel owns East Jerusalem and the West Bank, I wouldn't ever argue they have the right to take over the current inhabitants' possessions and home.
 

HeIsHere

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What in the world is that supposed to mean relative to my post?
The point is......the Arab nations are doing jack squat. No defending and no refugee remedies.

Zero nothing nada.
That would be incorrect, Qatar has been and is part of the negotiations for a humanitarian pause/cease fire.
 

cv5

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I understand that your interpretation of scripture means Israel isn't committing an international war crime by kicking Palestinians out of their homes and settling Israeli families in them.

Let's assume your interpretation is fact for a minute and the occupied land which not even the US recognizes Israeli's sovereignty over 100% belongs to Israel. Does this mean that Palestinians must give all possessions, including their home, to the Jews? It's one thing to settle and build new homes and it's another to straight up steal one... isn't it? Surely, the lesser evil is to build on occupied land.... but to steal homes too?

Even if I had the same interpretation as you and feel Israel owns East Jerusalem and the West Bank, I wouldn't ever argue they have the right to take over the current inhabitants' possessions and home.
Oh you just don't get it man. I take no sides in this secular war business.
Its all bad.

BUT.......all will be settled AFTER AFTER AFTER the Second Coming. AFTERWORDS. With perfect justice and mercy.
Furthermore, as I have propounded ENDLESSLY, the nation and people Israel ABSOLUTELY will exist and be located in the land and in Jerusalem during the time of Jacobs trouble. Therefore, I believe that this present political situation is undoubtedly Exek 37 playing out among MANY MANY other BOILERPLATE prophecies.

Today there are no pure as the driven snow "good guys".
But still.....calling for the extermination of all Jews is......SATANIC. And impossible BTW.
Tell me.....if God Himself is PRESERVING the Jews, who exactly is going to exterminate them as @tobewholeagain demands?
 

cv5

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That would be incorrect, Qatar has been and is part of the negotiations for a humanitarian pause/cease fire.
Tell me again how the Arab nations are coming together to take in all of the Gazan refugees.
 

HeIsHere

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Tell me again how the Arab nations are coming together to take in all of the Gazan refugees.

They are not obligated to do so, and if you go back and read the historical account they have already done so.