What if God had written IN STONE?

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Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind? Ever so sadly not.

Modern perspectives would lead many to believe that the 10 Commandments were written in stone due to some primitive caveman evolutionary gobbledy-gook. "Well it's because that's all they had back then!", they surmise.

The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.

The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and Christ reiterated their importance by teaching them all, obeying them all and made certain that His followers understood to continue to keep them after His Crucifixion - which is exactly what they did. It would only make sense that He would do so as He was the Creator of them.

Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'? The Bible told us very clearly that we would have grievous wolves come into the churches and lead many astray. We have been told that the blind leaders of the blind lead many into the ditch. We have also been told by Jesus Himself that the road to salvation is a narrow one and many, many would be led down the wide road to destruction.

The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
 
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First of all, God (Jesus Christ) did write the Ten Commandments in stone...

Exo_31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu_9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Christ plainly says that keeping the Commandments for salvation...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
 
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john832 said:
First of all, God (Jesus Christ) did write the Ten Commandments in stone...

Exo_31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu_9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Christ plainly says that keeping the Commandments for salvation...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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Yes.

I agree.
 
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Braweh said:
Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind?
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They already "know," so, they choose to Reject God.

19. Because a knowledge of God is revealed to them, for God has revealed it to them.
20. For the secrets of God from the foundation of the world are appearing to his creatures through intelligence, even his power and his eternal Godhead, that they will be without a defense,
21. Because they knew God, and they did not glorify him as God, nor did they give him thanks, but they became destitute in their reasoning and became dull in their heart without understanding.
22. And when they thought in themselves that they were wise, they became insane.
23. And they changed the glory of God
 
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Braweh said:
The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
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actually the appearing, the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension and the return of Jesus Christ is the foundation of our faith.

the decalogue isn't even the foundation of the old covenant, but "love the LORD your God" and "love your neighbor as yourself" are.
 
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john832 said:
Christ plainly says that keeping the Commandments for salvation...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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if no one but God is good, how much hope do i have of achieving salvation by keeping the commandments?

:coffee::unsure:

so what's He really saying, here?
is it really 'keep the commandments for salvation'?
 
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Braweh said:
The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.
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100% agree!


Braweh said:
The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.
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what does it mean that Moses almost immediately after receiving them, broke the tablets into pieces?
 
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Braweh said:
Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind? Ever so sadly not.

Modern perspectives would lead many to believe that the 10 Commandments were written in stone due to some primitive caveman evolutionary gobbledy-gook. "Well it's because that's all they had back then!", they surmise.

The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.

The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and Christ reiterated their importance by teaching them all, obeying them all and made certain that His followers understood to continue to keep them after His Crucifixion - which is exactly what they did. It would only make sense that He would do so as He was the Creator of them.

Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'? The Bible told us very clearly that we would have grievous wolves come into the churches and lead many astray. We have been told that the blind leaders of the blind lead many into the ditch. We have also been told by Jesus Himself that the road to salvation is a narrow one and many, many would be led down the wide road to destruction.

The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
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I’m assuming you have kept them all since becoming born again?
 
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Braweh said:
Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind? Ever so sadly not.

Modern perspectives would lead many to believe that the 10 Commandments were written in stone due to some primitive caveman evolutionary gobbledy-gook. "Well it's because that's all they had back then!", they surmise.

The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.

The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and Christ reiterated their importance by teaching them all, obeying them all and made certain that His followers understood to continue to keep them after His Crucifixion - which is exactly what they did. It would only make sense that He would do so as He was the Creator of them.

Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'? The Bible told us very clearly that we would have grievous wolves come into the churches and lead many astray. We have been told that the blind leaders of the blind lead many into the ditch. We have also been told by Jesus Himself that the road to salvation is a narrow one and many, many would be led down the wide road to destruction.

The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
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If you follow all of God's commandments, you'd need a truck to carry around His word - if it was written in stone. You can't fellowship with a stone. Jesus is the Living Word of God. Be led by Him, fellowship with Him and He will lead you and guide you. The 10 commandments are only the shadow (Hebrews 10:1). You might want to live in the shadows. I will live in the light, thanks all the same.

You are also wrong about our foundations. Jesus is the foundation, Jesus is the Rock of Ages, Jesus is the Author and finisher of our faith.
1 Corinthians 3:11

"For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Anything not built on Christ is wood, hay, stubble and will be consumed on the day of Judgement. What you build will be worthless.

You accuse others of false teaching. You should take a look in the mirror of God's word before judging others.
 
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john832 said:
First of all, God (Jesus Christ) did write the Ten Commandments in stone...

Exo_31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu_9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Christ plainly says that keeping the Commandments for salvation...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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The problem isn't the commandments. And there is a righteousness that can be attained by keeping the commandments. But no fallen flesh has attained it. No sinless flesh has ever attained it either who wasn't Jesus. So as a means to acquire righteousness, it has proven to be a failed model.
But this method involving the law is to be instructive. It is to teach us to turn to Christ for our righteousness. This is what Jesus was teaching the rich young ruler. He thought he had kept the law, but he actually had not. When he recounted the law, he left out the part about loving God before all else. Yet, he loved money more than God. He had not attained the righteousness which comes from the law.
 
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The law...that is the entirety of the law given through Moses, was never given to Gentiles. You might remember that Moses broke the first tablets written in stone, by God Himself. Many issues in churches today, occur because of this mashup of law and grace. If a person wishes to follow 'parts' of the law....which includes the 10 commandments...then they must follow ALL of it.

Now when you state that some people say "Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'?" it appears you are distorting Galatians 3:10 which states that all WORKS enacted through (attempts) to follow 'the law' places that individual who does so, as cursed. If you care to be truthful, you are disqualifying what the Bible actually states which would make YOU the naysayer.

For as many as are of works of the Law are under a curse, for it has been written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue all things having been written in the book of the Law, to do them." Galatians 3:10

The 10 commandments are not a stand alone imperative, but an introduction to what follows which is massive and requires the sacrifice of animal blood when any part thereof is made imperfect through the sin(s) of the ones to whom the law was given.

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
I Corinthians 15:56

What gives sin power? The law! Which is why everyone who tries to keep it in any fashion, is condemned or as the Bible says, cursed.

So what is the way out of that circle of sin and condemnation? Not the law. The Bible plainly states that sin shall not have dominion...the right to rule....over you BECAUSE we are NOT under law (any part of it) but have been exonerated by the grace of God through Jesus shed blood on our behalf because He never sinned or broke any part of the law.

God is holy. This does not refer to perfect behavior, but to One who is separate and when He asks us to be holy as He is holy He means for us to be separate and not partake of this world as though we never knew Christ. Perfect behavior cannot be rewarded. No one has ever not required Jesus because they never sinned.

So, either understand that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes, Romans 10: 4, or be condemned in your own efforts to be holy.

There exists but those choices.
 
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could you maybe show us an example of anyone saying this, ever?
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No, I won't waste my time digging one up, but it's been said countless times on every single forum I've ever been on.

"You're cursed if you obey the Commandments!"

"You will be damned under the Law!!"

... etc., etc.

You've been around long enough, Post. You know good and well that's true.

You've probably even said it yourself, multiple times.
 
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Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
 
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posthuman said:
actually the appearing, the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension and the return of Jesus Christ is the foundation of our faith.

the decalogue isn't even the foundation of the old covenant, but "love the LORD your God" and "love your neighbor as yourself" are.
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Right. Those are an abbreviation of the decalogue (10 Commandments).

John 14:15
John 15:14
Matt. 19:17
1 Jn. 5:3
Rev. 14:12

The 10 Commandments are the Stone foundation of the Christian Faith. Jesus' significance echoes this fact when He is referred to as 'The Rock.'
 
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Braweh said:
No, I won't waste my time digging one up, but it's been said countless times on every single forum I've ever been on.

"You're cursed if you obey the Commandments!"

"You will be damned under the Law!!"

... etc., etc.

You've been around long enough, Post. You know good and well that's true.

You've probably even said it yourself, multiple times.
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I will only bother to direct you to my post above this one time as you can read it mulitple times or ignore it.

The truth is, the Bible states a person is cursed for trying to follow the law and they bring it on themself by attempting to fulfill their own righteousness. No part of the law saves anyone.

This op you have created is not biblical.

I won't answer any response you post in contradiction as you are in contradiction of scripture. You are not the judge of anyone here but have failed to judge yourself by the word.
 
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PennEd said:
I’m assuming you have kept them all since becoming born again?
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I have done my best since the moment I believed it was an obligation for believers, yep. That is all that's required.

We all stumble often.
James 3:2
 
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It should go without saying, but before the op tries to state that people think we can sin all we want because we are not under the law,
let's be clear that is a non sequitur.

Let's not let him re-direct people to be on the defensive by responding to that very popular false claim by those who wish to put a 'yoke of slavery' on the necks of those who are saved by God's grace through faith in His Son.

You will not be 'free' to sin if you actually follow Christ and wish to live in the new life He gives.
 
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Gideon300 said:
If you follow all of God's commandments, you'd need a truck to carry around His word - if it was written in stone. You can't fellowship with a stone. Jesus is the Living Word of God. Be led by Him, fellowship with Him and He will lead you and guide you. The 10 commandments are only the shadow (Hebrews 10:1). You might want to live in the shadows. I will live in the light, thanks all the same.

You are also wrong about our foundations. Jesus is the foundation, Jesus is the Rock of Ages, Jesus is the Author and finisher of our faith.
1 Corinthians 3:11

"For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ."

Anything not built on Christ is wood, hay, stubble and will be consumed on the day of Judgement. What you build will be worthless.

You accuse others of false teaching. You should take a look in the mirror of God's word before judging others.
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The 10 Commandments are all that is required as far as obeying the Commandments. The 10 cover all scenarios that aren't expired - like the sacrificial ordinances, etc.

Yes, Jesus is called the Rock of Ages in reference to the decalogue written in Stone by God.

He is forever just as they are.
 
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