Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?

being from a Jewish Family, I have the advantage here and can clear this up:

For ALL of the History of the Jews [ancient Hebrews], part of their Laws, they have kept in practice now for over 4,500 years. This is how they did, would have in Jesus Day, and STILL Baptize:

the purification rites in Halakha, Jewish law and tradition, called tvilah.
The tvilah is the act of immersion in naturally sourced water, called a mikva.

So Paul, would have meant FULL BODY IMMERSION, like Jesus, ALL JEWS [before then and after] have always done.


it's in the LAW!

Could you please clarify the question. I can take a stab at what I think you're looking for.

We are not only to believe but we are to obey. God loves us so much He sent His son to die for our sins. If we are to love God and our fellow man, there is no way we can do it without works. Impossible. Therefore, we are to obey God.
Jn. 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Eph. says we were created for good works. Faith that works is not faith alone. The bible tells us faith alone is dead. I believe the bible.

And the priest had to be water cleansed before they could enter service at the Temple. Today, in Christ, we are the priest and Jesus is our high priest.

Bible is clear, Jesus, Fulfilled the LAW

this Baptism, is in the LAW, and He fulfilled it and we do also [but it's not LAW to us]

AMEN!

John, said, i am not worthy to Baptize You, but Jesus said, to do it....why.....He had to fulfill the LAW.

and Jesus, is our EXAMPLE, so, we do what Jesus did.

I agree that there is a call to obedience when someone is saved and that faith without works is the evidence that faith is nonexistent. But that doesn't necessitate either as a condition of salvation.
Look again at verse 37. Peter is responding to their response...what shall we do? Where does their response originate?

I agree their response begins within them. If that was all that is required, it would have ended there but it ends in baptism just as Jesus said. The one who has believed, past tense. and has been baptized past tense. will be saved future tense.
All conversions end in water baptism.

Faith that has no works is dead. Bible says it, not me.

Without the conversion, there is no response. Of course faith without works is dead. But that doesn't require works to be a part of salvation. Faith alone saves. But the faith that saves is never alone.

Yes so

Make disciples,.. Baptise THEM..

I had been saved, based on the fact God offered me grace, and in faith I recieved it

I was baptized by the HS. I was baptized in water a year later.

Ignore john all you want.. You will have to answer to God

Water is not baptism

how do we know?

if it was baptism, Jesus would have said, He who believes and is baptized (water)

He did not..



There is no such thing as spiritual baptism.[/QUOTE]

lol

God attaches you to the vine, you are attached to produce good fruit

If your not attached, your not saved period.

your not attached through water baptism.

God requires perfection.

If you have commited one sin, you already fall short..

wow

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8
I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16
John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 1:33
I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16

Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

For something that does not exist in scripture it sure is mentioned alot

because both symbolise what really saves us

The conversion happens when baptized, not before. make disciples of all nations, baptizing them If it was before, conversions would not end in baptism but all end in baptism.
A good example is the apostle Paul, he still had his sins until he arose and was baptized and washed them away.

Faith that saves will never be alone is not faith alone.

Does saved come before or after baptism according to Jesus?
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved
Were these people added before or after baptism?
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

Peter says Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you
You say baptism cannot save you. Whom shall I believe.

You inadvertently make my point for me. Making disciples has nothing to do with getting saved. It has to do with helping converts learn the faith. Many people make this error, but since we are using the words of Jesus, He said He would build His church. And He told us how...blessed are you Simon...for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father...and upon this rock...the revelation of the Father of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ to an individual. So...salvation precedes discipleship.
Not only that, but the priority of the church is discipleship. Baptism is merely one aspect of this.
So...salvation is in the purview of Jesus.
...the church is primarily to disciple those Jesus saves. Under the authority of church leaders, believers are to be baptized.
This is exactly what occurred in Acts 2.

You will believe jesus

John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

And then you interpret peter in a way in which peter does not contradict Jesus

I'm gonna disagree

Jesus said those words looking forward to the establishment of His church.
After He had been given all authority, He then said The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved
All conversions end in baptism.

The difference is Jesus said it he never said anything about kissing beads or foot each of and salvstion but baptism he did connect to salvation

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A fundamental difference is Jesus never said “ kiss beads and be saved , or wash feet and you’ll be saved “ baptism is basic Christian doctrine kissing beads is man made tradition as Christian’s we want to reject the man made traditions and accept and embrace the things God established for things like remission of sins that’s really important that we have our sins remitted before we come near to hear jesus

It’s why John began preaching baptism before Jesus preached the gospel it’s preparatory knowledge to inow your sins have been remitted this allows us to come to him with a clear conscience and begin to learn from jesus our lord

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-5‬ ‭

And then the church after Jesus died for our sins and rose who first heard of the messiahs death and resurrection and then heard about baptism into his name for remission of sins and believed

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we’re called we’re called to the promise of baptism for remission of sins in his name it is where sins are remitted because we heard about him shedding his blood for our sins and we believe it’s an action of faith receiving remission of sins according only to what he said when he promised remission of sins

if we want to know what God said we can listen to the gospel but we also can end up listening to other things like the opposite “ your saved already by grace so you don’t need baptism for remission of sins it is t really for you you believe …

But believers that heard are the very ones who are getting baptized and then later they begin to learn what it meant

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( apparently baptism has significant meaning )

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6‬ ‭

This is for believers who got baptized they can now begin to apply this to themselves by faith hearing and believing what Paul’s saying “ you died and we’re buried with Jesus your new now able to live right and will be raised with him “

The. Paul’s other letters make sense moreso

Remember the term “ baptized for remission of your sins? Look what Paul’s explaining here

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

baptism is about what he’s explaining there our sins being remitted in hiers death who died for our sins ….sin requires death it always has it’s why they sacrificed animals.

Jesus death is the price paid for our sins who believe when we get baptized we are dying and getting buried with Jesus by faith and being raised up with him by faith what I mean when I say by faith is

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if any believer hears what’s in the Bible about baptism and no one ever said “no that’s not true “ every Christian would hear what baptism is and would be joyful to partake knowing it’s about the remission of their sins in Christs name