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There's no need to go back to some of my posts. The question is whether the Westminster Confession clearly states the eternal security of the believer (but not necessarily using that exact term). So here it is:
CHAPTER XVIII. OF THE ASSURANCE OF GRACE AND SALVATION
I. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favour of God, and estate of salvation, (Job 8:13-14; Mic 3:11; Deu 29:19; Jhn 8:41); (which hope of theirs shall perish, Mat 7:22-23): yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love Him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before Him, may, in this life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, (1Jo 2:3; 1Jo 3:14, 18-19, 21, 24; 1Jo 5:13); and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed, (Rom 5:2, 5).
II. This certainty is not a bare conjectural and probable persuasion grounded upon a fallible hope, (Hbr 6:11, 19); but an infallible assurance of faith founded upon the divine truth of the promises of salvation, (Hbr 6:17-18); the inward evidence of those graces unto which these promises are made, (2Pe 1:4-5, 10-11; 1Jo 2:3; 1Jo 3:14; 2Co 1:12); the testimony of the Spirit of adoption witnessing with our spirits that we are the children of God, (Rom 8:15-16); which Spirit is the earnest of our inheritance, whereby we are sealed to the day of redemption, (Eph 1:13-14; Eph 4:30; 2Co 1:21-22).
Obviously Cameron did not read this before posting. I trust he will now retract what he said.
CHAPTER XVIII. OF THE ASSURANCE OF GRACE AND SALVATION
I. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favour of God, and estate of salvation, (Job 8:13-14; Mic 3:11; Deu 29:19; Jhn 8:41); (which hope of theirs shall perish, Mat 7:22-23): yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love Him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before Him, may, in this life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, (1Jo 2:3; 1Jo 3:14, 18-19, 21, 24; 1Jo 5:13); and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed, (Rom 5:2, 5).
II. This certainty is not a bare conjectural and probable persuasion grounded upon a fallible hope, (Hbr 6:11, 19); but an infallible assurance of faith founded upon the divine truth of the promises of salvation, (Hbr 6:17-18); the inward evidence of those graces unto which these promises are made, (2Pe 1:4-5, 10-11; 1Jo 2:3; 1Jo 3:14; 2Co 1:12); the testimony of the Spirit of adoption witnessing with our spirits that we are the children of God, (Rom 8:15-16); which Spirit is the earnest of our inheritance, whereby we are sealed to the day of redemption, (Eph 1:13-14; Eph 4:30; 2Co 1:21-22).
Obviously Cameron did not read this before posting. I trust he will now retract what he said.
It is a site function for a reason. If you don't care to use it, that is certainly your prerogative. I find it handy, and in going back just now did come across another instance where once again you chose to falsely accuse me. Funny how when you believe you have been falsely accused of something you call it evil, but seem to have absolutely no sense of compunction when it comes to falsely accusing others.
This also claims God doesn't want all men to be saved... which is not true and unbiblical.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Exactly! The "almost correct" protagonist doing an awful job of being right, that nobody wants to listen to him.
In In most protagonist/antagonist discussions, this id the format. All the antagonists are nice, polite, & sound right as a result.
But.... should you believe them? Many will without batting an eye. This is exactly what I told Maxwell yesterday.
In In most protagonist/antagonist discussions, this id the format. All the antagonists are nice, polite, & sound right as a result.
But.... should you believe them? Many will without batting an eye. This is exactly what I told Maxwell yesterday.
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The epistles are never to the sinner no matter how good he looks!
Sinners can't rebel from God because they're sinners.
I don't care how many wasn't saved to begin with... because the epistles are teachings & warnings to christians, not sinners!
Your statement doesn't hold water at all.
Sinners can't rebel from God because they're sinners.
I don't care how many wasn't saved to begin with... because the epistles are teachings & warnings to christians, not sinners!
Your statement doesn't hold water at all.
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There is little difference between the two. My point was that Calvinism can only come from the teachings of Calvin. He was one of many reformers, but he is the favorite target of those who differ with the understanding of the reformed faith. But those who subscribe to the reformed understanding of the faith are a diverse lot. Just as all Baptists and Lutherans, and all denominations are comprised of individuals who hold a variety of beliefs, the reformed arm of the church is disparate as well. And most people who criticize Calvin aren't that familiar with his reasoning. They have merely heard what others have said and parrot it.
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