Do We Have Any Christian Essentials From Jesus Christ Which Are Absolutely Unnecessary And, if so, Which Ones?

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PaulThomson

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What do you mean by “Christian essentials”?

ByTheGraceOfGod said:
You know exactly what I mean.

Do We Have Any Christian Essentials From Jesus Christ Which Are Absolutely Unnecessary
and, if so, which ones?

I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary, do you?
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Your question looks nonsensical. You are asking are there any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. There cannot logically be any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. At least. not in the same way at the same time.

Whose list of "Christian essentials" are you referring to? Your question could be perhaps better phrased as -
Are there any beliefs that some Christians base on Jesus' teachings and claim are essential that you believe are non-essential.

Is that what you are trying to ask?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Now is the time to start warning the unlearned of the punishments in hell for disagreeing with "Christian Essentials".
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If “YOU” cannot convey those essentials in a clear manner to those heading towards eternal separation, then you are part of the problem. When someone asked you where your hope and faith comes from, what is your response?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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PaulThomson said:
What do you mean by “Christian essentials”?



Your question looks nonsensical. You are asking are there any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. There cannot logically be any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. At least. not in the same way at the same time.

Whose list of "Christian essentials" are you referring to? Your question could be perhaps better phrased as -
Are there any beliefs that some Christians base on Jesus' teachings and claim are essential that you believe are non-essential.

Is that what you are trying to ask?
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Do you believe all Christian essentials Jesus gave us?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Sipsey said:
If “YOU” cannot convey those essentials in a clear manner to those heading towards eternal separation, then you are part of the problem. When someone asked you where your hope and faith comes from, what is your response?
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My hope and faith comes from all Christian Essentials.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Sipsey said:
If “YOU” cannot convey those essentials in a clear manner to those heading towards eternal separation, then you are part of the problem. When someone asked you where your hope and faith comes from, what is your response?
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Why would I convey those Christian essentials in a clear manner to those who refuse to even acknowledge if all Christian Essentials are necessary? :unsure:
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Why would I convey those Christian essentials in a clear manner to those who refuse to even acknowledge if all Christian Essentials are necessary? :unsure:
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Conversations succeed or fail based on approved upon definitions. If one cannot express or clearly define the subject at hand, no meaningful discussion is possible.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Sipsey said:
Conversations succeed or fail based on approved upon definitions. If one cannot express or clearly define the subject at hand, no meaningful discussion is possible.
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Since you claim they don't know the definition of Christian Essentials; they may be lost forever through their own fault. :(
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Since you claim they don't know the definition of Christian Essentials; they may be lost forever through their own fault. :(
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I thought God was the one who drew us. Are you saying, if I don’t know what you know, I‘m destined for Hell? Pray tell me what sort of Christian you are, that won’t share this wonderful knowledge than can save a sinner like me from the flames of Hell.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Sipsey said:
I thought God was the one who drew us. Are you saying, if I don’t know what you know, I‘m destined for Hell? Pray tell me what sort of Christian you are, that won’t share this wonderful knowledge than can save a sinner like me from the flames of Hell.
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Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones?
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Here we go again. I bet you are the captain of a great dodge ball team. An essential can’t be unessential, don’t you get It?

Israel was sent into slavery partly because they wouldn't share the essentials with the neighboring Gentiles. What will be your fate for being tightlipped?
 
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PaulThomson

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Do you believe all Christian essentials Jesus gave us?
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Christians disagree on what are essentials, so without you telling me what you think those are, I don't know what you mean by your question. Every sincere Christian thinks they believe all the essentials. Would the sermons recorded in Acts, by believing which hearers were saved, contain the essentials? After all, believing those facts about Jesus and the gospel were enough for God to authenticate their inclusion into Christ. Or do you have a longer list in mind?
 
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PaulThomson said:
Christians disagree on what are essentials, so without you telling me what you think those are, I don't know what you mean by your question. Every sincere Christian thinks they believe all the essentials. Would the sermons recorded in Acts, by believing which hearers were saved, contain the essentials? After all, believing those facts about Jesus and the gospel were enough for God to authenticate their inclusion into Christ. Or do you have a longer list in mind?
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I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary, do you? ;)
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Why would I convey those Christian essentials in a clear manner to those who refuse to even acknowledge if all Christian Essentials are necessary? :unsure:
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Because you might be attempting to be a respectable and decent human being who doesn't require agreement with unknown terms.

State your terms, or continue being known as a stubborn mule with all the maturity of a stillborn child.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Are you even sincere? Do you even want to believe all Christian essentials? I DON'T TRUST YOU! :rolleyes:
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Your trust in others is irrelevant when you have consistently demonstrated that you can't be trusted.

By the way, there is no need to be YELLING.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
yeah I’m also wondering what a “ Christian essential “ means I’m thinking he means of Jesus said something is necassary to be saved , is it ? Or are there things Jesus said we need to do or have that we do t actually need to do or have

Im not sure but what if m guessing is he’s wondering if Jesus said something is essential , is it or isn’t it ?
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2nd page I feel better. I almost PM asking what he meant. Lol I didn't want to sound silly or stupid.
 
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