10 Questions about OSAS

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JimmyTheLock

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If a once truly born again believer can’t possibly go back to sin and go to hell, explain:

1. Where did God say any man ever loses his free will on this earth? (Joshua 24:15)
2. Where did God say that those He saves cannot ever go back to sin?
3. How and why are the wages of sin no longer death? (Romans 6:23)
4. Why did God separate Adam and Eve from Himself when they sinned and yet now somehow changed and keeps rebels, violators, unrepentant sinners in His kingdom? (Genesis 3:24; Malachi 3:6)
5. Explain why God is no longer just?
6. Explain why God no longer punishes sin, especially in the unrepentant? (Romans 2:6-7)
7. Explain why God is no longer holy and therefore can and will keep rebels in His holy, eternal kingdom? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8)
8. Explain why you claim Jesus lied when He said a man can “believe” and then “fall away” if such is not possible? (Luke 8:13)
9. Explain why Christ’s apostle Paul warned all New Testament believers, namely Gentiles, that they will be “cut off” from and by God if they do not continue in His goodness? (Romans 11:20-22)
10. Explain why Jesus told the Church at Laodicea, His own people, that if they become “lukewarm,” He would reject, spue them out of His mouth? (Revelation 3:15-16)
 
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JimmyTheLock said:
If a once truly born again believer can’t possibly go back to sin and go to hell, explain:

1. Where did God say any man ever loses his free will on this earth? (Joshua 24:15)
2. Where did God say that those He saves cannot ever go back to sin?
3. How and why are the wages of sin no longer death? (Romans 6:23)
4. Why did God separate Adam and Eve from Himself when they sinned and yet now somehow changed and keeps rebels, violators, unrepentant sinners in His kingdom? (Genesis 3:24; Malachi 3:6)
5. Explain why God is no longer just?
6. Explain why God no longer punishes sin, especially in the unrepentant? (Romans 2:6-7)
7. Explain why God is no longer holy and therefore can and will keep rebels in His holy, eternal kingdom? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8)
8. Explain why you claim Jesus lied when He said a man can “believe” and then “fall away” if such is not possible? (Luke 8:13)
9. Explain why Christ’s apostle Paul warned all New Testament believers, namely Gentiles, that they will be “cut off” from and by God if they do not continue in His goodness? (Romans 11:20-22)
10. Explain why Jesus told the Church at Laodicea, His own people, that if they become “lukewarm,” He would reject, spue them out of His mouth? (Revelation 3:15-16)
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1. He doesn't
2. He doesn't
3. Never changed
4. To be fair Adam and Eve did not have the sacrifice of Jesus Christ available yet.
5. He is
6. He will eventually
7. God can do as He please, but He has said rebels are not welcome to the kingdom
8. Jesus spoke the truth, many people fall away from the faith, especially in the last days [1 Tim 4:1]
9. Because if they turn back to their pagan ways they would be cut off, just like Israel was when they were in ba'al worship
10. Because He would
 
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JimmyTheLock said:
If a once truly born again believer can’t possibly go back to sin and go to hell, explain:

1. Where did God say any man ever loses his free will on this earth? (Joshua 24:15)
2. Where did God say that those He saves cannot ever go back to sin?
3. How and why are the wages of sin no longer death? (Romans 6:23)
4. Why did God separate Adam and Eve from Himself when they sinned and yet now somehow changed and keeps rebels, violators, unrepentant sinners in His kingdom? (Genesis 3:24; Malachi 3:6)
5. Explain why God is no longer just?
6. Explain why God no longer punishes sin, especially in the unrepentant? (Romans 2:6-7)
7. Explain why God is no longer holy and therefore can and will keep rebels in His holy, eternal kingdom? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8)
8. Explain why you claim Jesus lied when He said a man can “believe” and then “fall away” if such is not possible? (Luke 8:13)
9. Explain why Christ’s apostle Paul warned all New Testament believers, namely Gentiles, that they will be “cut off” from and by God if they do not continue in His goodness? (Romans 11:20-22)
10. Explain why Jesus told the Church at Laodicea, His own people, that if they become “lukewarm,” He would reject, spue them out of His mouth? (Revelation 3:15-16)
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Can you name me one believer who does not struggle with sin?
 
Jimbone

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John146 said:
Can you name me one believer who does not struggle with sin?
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He's not interested in having a conversation, only condemning others while glorifying himself. He believes sanctification is a process 100% on the believer, both in the power to do it and the glory from completing it. He also seems to believe he has the power to tell us if we are saved or not without having ever talked to us before in life. He is a truly sad case and very confused about a God he doesn't seem to know very well. I wouldn't waste too much time trying to get through to this one yet, he already knows everything, besides the true power of God sadly.
 
PennEd

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1 Question for LOSAS (losers of our Savior and salvation)

Why don’t you believe and trust Jesus Christ, and the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep you saved?

John 18:9

New King James Version
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”


John 10:28-29

New King James Version
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch themout of My Father’s hand.
 
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PennEd said:
1 Question for LOSAS (losers of our Savior and salvation)

Why don’t you believe and trust Jesus Christ, and the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep you saved?

John 18:9

New King James Version
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”


John 10:28-29

New King James Version
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch themout of My Father’s hand.
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or these

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 John 4:17
Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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PennEd said:
1 Question for LOSAS (losers of our Savior and salvation)

Why don’t you believe and trust Jesus Christ, and the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep you saved?

John 18:9

New King James Version
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”


John 10:28-29

New King James Version
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch themout of My Father’s hand.
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Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones?
 
PennEd

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones?
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i'm sorry, this question seems a little convoluted to me.

Can you rephrase please?
 
Mem

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)
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Can you tell us the one essential thing in obtaining all other things that are essential to that one thing?
 
Nehemiah6

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JimmyTheLock said:
If a once truly born again believer can’t possibly go back to sin and go to hell, explain:
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There is no need to explain any of this. You must focus on God's salvation and what it means. Period.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Mem said:
Can you tell us the one essential thing in obtaining all other things that are essential to that one thing?
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I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)
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And how, pray tell, have you obtained all those Christian essentials from Jesus Christ that are absolutely necessary "wink wink"
 
Mem

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"One thing is necessary, and Mary has chosen the good part."
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
How does this help? Any Bible teaching must be supported by proof texts from Scripture.
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but but but...so many do not believe everything in scripture

there are many proof texts in this forum that attest to that fact
 
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