Do We Have Any Christian Essentials From Jesus Christ Which Are Absolutely Unnecessary And, if so, Which Ones?

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you are quite the disingenuous individual because I truly do not think you believe the above that you wrote but you have nothing to fall back on. that is what happens when you follow people instead of God

your displeasure is with God. Not this forum and not the people in it. Truly done with you flogging of the word
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary, yes or no?
 

Sipsey

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You don't believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary, do you? :(
John 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom He hath sent.
 
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John 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom He hath sent.
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary, yes or no?
 

Inquisitor

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I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary, do you?
God is love.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from a sincere faith.

What more needs to be said?
 

montana123

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2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament: apostasia-defection, apostasy, revolt; in late Gk. (MM, Exp., viii; Lft., Notes, 111; Cremer, 308) for cl. apostasis, freq. in sense of political revolt, in LXX (e.g. Joshua 22:22, 2 Chronicles 29:19, Jeremiah 2:19) and NT always of religious apostasy: Ac21:21, II Th 2:3.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If you are speaking of the falling away being religious apostasy as the Church the Church can never fall away for the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church, and hypocrites do not belong to the Church.

The falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of it on a world wide level which then the transgressors have come to the full, and causes the man of sin to be able to rule over them.

It is a falling away of the world that they will not accept the preaching of the Gospel in the world hindering people from seeing the truth which they will not allow anything to be taught contrary to the new age movement where they allowed it before that.

All nations government will be together in agreement with that so it is the falling away that they hindered the Gospel from being preached causing the man of sin to be able to rule over them.

But the Church can never fall away and more hypocrites does not cause the Church to fall away and they do not belong to the Church so if they do not belong to the Church then their hypocrisy does nothing to affect the Church in a negative way.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Now is the time to start warning the unlearned of the punishments in hell for disagreeing with "Christian Essentials".
yeah ……but they might ask what your talking about. Then a great confusion will break out as everyone goes in a circle asking what it is you mean by Christian essentials …..
 

Pilgrimshope

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God is love.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from a sincere faith.

What more needs to be said?
How about the things the lord said ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems like what he said could be pertinent

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

…Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 51‬ ‭

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

…Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What Jesus said needs to be heard still …..
 

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Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary, yes or no?
I don't know how to answer your question because I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "Christian essentials".
Can you please help me understand what you mean by "Christian essentials'?
 
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I don't know how to answer your question because I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "Christian essentials".
Can you please help me understand what you mean by "Christian essentials'?
"Christian essentials" are the essentials which come from Jesus Christ to Christians.

es·sen·tial
/əˈsen(t)SH(ə)l/

absolutely necessary; extremely important.

a thing that is absolutely necessary.
 

Magenta

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If "Christian essentials" = commandments from Jesus directly to Christians, then yes.
Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary, yes or no?
 

ewq1938

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If you are speaking of the falling away being religious apostasy as the Church the Church can never fall away

It's not the church that falls away but people falling away from the church (and therefore Christ).
 
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I summarized the best parts of what I've learned over the years. It doesn't quote scripture, and it probably isn't watertight, but it works for me. I try to consider all these things on my "prayer walks"

Abide in Christ Only and Always
Pray
Love others as oneself, including (and especially) your enemies.
Humility


God is first - Through prayer, try to get to the point that you are ready to leave everything and follow, even family. When the time comes, and God calls, we have to be in this mindset.
Repentance - Ask for forgiveness and sins are forgotten. Believe this with all your heart. Don't let shame and guilt bother you anymore.
We will have eternal life - We don't know how God works. Stop being distracted by things of this world that tell you otherwise.
Suffer with dignity - Suffering is a part of the human experience. Don't look to avoid or fear suffering. Suffering is wisdom, strength, and a gift. God doesn't create suffering, but he will allow it for His purpose. Suffer in private, learn from it, don't complain, offer it up to others who are less fortunate.
We are only pilgrims in this world. - This is not our home. Our purpose is to eschew our free will for the sake of God's will. We carry our cross with the help of God, and to help those who are having trouble carrying their own.
Be reborn - We have to destroy the old man in our soul (Adam) and be reborn a new man (Jesus). Adam was of this world; Jesus is of the spirit. It hurts to die. That's when the Spirit takes place of the flesh. Our burden becomes lighter, and the yoke is easy. Good wine is not put in old bottles. You need to empty yourself of everything worldly, have it destroyed, and then be filled.
Justification and sanctification - We are saved by justification only because it leads to sanctification. We are not actually saved through grace if we don't end up being sanctified.
None of us is "Good" - We are all just sinful creatures covered in dirty rags. Nothing we can do on our own can make us "Good". By abiding in Christ, we take on the Holy Spirit which makes us One in Christ. We are saved by becoming one body in Jesus.
It's a lifelong journey. - Don't give up when you fail. Failure is guaranteed. Persistence is a must. Ask for forgiveness and try your hardest to follow Jesus. It's not you who is doing the work anyway, your thoughts are messing up the process. You WILL become sanctified because of Faith. Stop thinking about it.
Pray often - Prayer connects us with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will direct us for even the most mundane decisions. We end up choosing the path, even though He guides our steps. It's important to always choose the right path so we don't lose our way.
Fear not, and want not - Did you know anxiety is a sin? It's my biggest struggle. Trust completely in Jesus. Though the mountains may fall, and the hills turn to dust, the love of the Lord will stand as a shelter for all that will call on His name. Wanting nothing makes life easy, fearing nothing makes life enjoyable.
Intercessional prayer is the most powerful prayer. Pray for others, especially those you don't know or love. Personal requests come last, and probably will seem trivial.
Prayer is a conversation with Jesus. God doesn't like vein repetitions. The "Our Father" should be said every morning with concentration on what each verse means, and not by rote.
Gratitude - Give thanks for every blessing you have. Everything comes from Him. It can be taken away any moment. If taken away, we must rejoice.
Jesus was sent to abolish the law -We don't need to depend on the law to be faithful. Through faith and prayer, the God's law becomes written in our hearts. The Bible is not the law. The Bible shows us the way to Jesus. Once we find Jesus, that is all we need. If Jesus lives in our soul, what else do we need.
Pride is the most harmful of all vices. It's also the most painful and difficult thing to get rid of. So much sin stems from pride.
Do charitable works in private. If you donate, do so without anyone knowing. Avoid receiving our reward here, and God will reward you later.
Faith, Hope, Love - Love is the greatest of the three. We can have faith and hope, but they are worthless without love. Love can exist on its own without the other two. If we struggle with hope or faith, lean on love, and we will be with Jesus.
Meditation - Our thoughts are evil. Cognition is of the world and is necessary to get by day-to-day. However, too much thinking leads us to rely on our own 'wisdom' instead of God's guidance. Meditation does help people overcome this.
Fasting - Helpful tool to appreciate blessings and the feeling of emptiness helps to better understand the need for the Spirit.
 
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I summarized the best parts of what I've learned over the years. It doesn't quote scripture, and it probably isn't watertight, but it works for me. I try to consider all these things on my "prayer walks"

Abide in Christ Only and Always
Pray
Love others as oneself, including (and especially) your enemies.
Humility


God is first - Through prayer, try to get to the point that you are ready to leave everything and follow, even family. When the time comes, and God calls, we have to be in this mindset.
Repentance - Ask for forgiveness and sins are forgotten. Believe this with all your heart. Don't let shame and guilt bother you anymore.
We will have eternal life - We don't know how God works. Stop being distracted by things of this world that tell you otherwise.
Suffer with dignity - Suffering is a part of the human experience. Don't look to avoid or fear suffering. Suffering is wisdom, strength, and a gift. God doesn't create suffering, but he will allow it for His purpose. Suffer in private, learn from it, don't complain, offer it up to others who are less fortunate.
We are only pilgrims in this world. - This is not our home. Our purpose is to eschew our free will for the sake of God's will. We carry our cross with the help of God, and to help those who are having trouble carrying their own.
Be reborn - We have to destroy the old man in our soul (Adam) and be reborn a new man (Jesus). Adam was of this world; Jesus is of the spirit. It hurts to die. That's when the Spirit takes place of the flesh. Our burden becomes lighter, and the yoke is easy. Good wine is not put in old bottles. You need to empty yourself of everything worldly, have it destroyed, and then be filled.
Justification and sanctification - We are saved by justification only because it leads to sanctification. We are not actually saved through grace if we don't end up being sanctified.
None of us is "Good" - We are all just sinful creatures covered in dirty rags. Nothing we can do on our own can make us "Good". By abiding in Christ, we take on the Holy Spirit which makes us One in Christ. We are saved by becoming one body in Jesus.
It's a lifelong journey. - Don't give up when you fail. Failure is guaranteed. Persistence is a must. Ask for forgiveness and try your hardest to follow Jesus. It's not you who is doing the work anyway, your thoughts are messing up the process. You WILL become sanctified because of Faith. Stop thinking about it.
Pray often - Prayer connects us with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will direct us for even the most mundane decisions. We end up choosing the path, even though He guides our steps. It's important to always choose the right path so we don't lose our way.
Fear not, and want not - Did you know anxiety is a sin? It's my biggest struggle. Trust completely in Jesus. Though the mountains may fall, and the hills turn to dust, the love of the Lord will stand as a shelter for all that will call on His name. Wanting nothing makes life easy, fearing nothing makes life enjoyable.
Intercessional prayer is the most powerful prayer. Pray for others, especially those you don't know or love. Personal requests come last, and probably will seem trivial.
Prayer is a conversation with Jesus. God doesn't like vein repetitions. The "Our Father" should be said every morning with concentration on what each verse means, and not by rote.
Gratitude - Give thanks for every blessing you have. Everything comes from Him. It can be taken away any moment. If taken away, we must rejoice.
Jesus was sent to abolish the law -We don't need to depend on the law to be faithful. Through faith and prayer, the God's law becomes written in our hearts. The Bible is not the law. The Bible shows us the way to Jesus. Once we find Jesus, that is all we need. If Jesus lives in our soul, what else do we need.
Pride is the most harmful of all vices. It's also the most painful and difficult thing to get rid of. So much sin stems from pride.
Do charitable works in private. If you donate, do so without anyone knowing. Avoid receiving our reward here, and God will reward you later.
Faith, Hope, Love - Love is the greatest of the three. We can have faith and hope, but they are worthless without love. Love can exist on its own without the other two. If we struggle with hope or faith, lean on love, and we will be with Jesus.
Meditation - Our thoughts are evil. Cognition is of the world and is necessary to get by day-to-day. However, too much thinking leads us to rely on our own 'wisdom' instead of God's guidance. Meditation does help people overcome this.
Fasting - Helpful tool to appreciate blessings and the feeling of emptiness helps to better understand the need for the Spirit.
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary, yes or no?
 
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I'd be happy to answer when I know what it is I'm answering. You are under no obligation to give your understanding of what is essential, but I'm trying to be accurate according to your understanding of what is essential.
There are only a few reasons as to why someone doesn't care to give greater clarity, and most aren't good or genuine. Having participated in some of your earlier threads, I suspect your motives aren't exactly noble.
I agree because this is no place for heresy or arguing. This is a place where the Grace of God is revealed through His people to as many as we can reach. If you are not here in the Love and Grace of God you can leave now. Sorry if that seems harsh.
 

PaulThomson

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What do you mean by “Christian essentials”?

You know exactly what I mean.

Do We Have Any Christian Essentials From Jesus Christ Which Are Absolutely Unnecessary
and, if so, which ones?

I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary, do you?
Your question looks nonsensical. You are asking is there any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. There cannot logically be any statement A by Jesus that is not statement A by Jesus. At least. not in the same way at the same time.

Whose list of "Christian essentials" are you referring to? Your question could be perhaps better phrased as -
Are there any beliefs that some Christians base on Jesus' teachings and they claim are essential that you believe are non-essential.

Is that what you are trying to ask?