What Events do Those Who Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

Either you are not reading what I stated, or you are twisting it to make your own point.

In simple terms: If there is a mixed group of people consisting of military personal and those who are not military.

A call to service is broadcast for all military personal to report to duty immediately ….and all military leave for their respective divisions ….. do you refer to those who are left…. as military?

Whether you adhere to the rapture or not …my point is …. Once Christ returns for the Church of God (body of Christ) all born again people are gone …by definition a born-again person (Christ-in) = Christian…. Who’s left?.



This is interesting.

In Christ ….. In Christ Jesus ….. In Jesus Christ ….. In Jesus ….. In Him ….. In the Lord Jesus .….. and a few other variations which are used in reference to “US” …. the born-again Christian….. members of the Body of Christ, the one new man…. and are used over 170 X throughout the epistles and Acts.

You will not find any of those lexica in the Gospels…. and to no surprise …. neither will you find them in Revelation …..they are totally proprietary to the believers of the administration of Grace. ….There will technically be no “Christians” (per se) in the tribulation times of the Lords day/Day of the Lord.

The term Christian which derived from the above recognitions (in Christ, In Jesus … etc) will not be applicable to the gentiles and Jews which will be the two categories of people in Revelation…..just as it was in the Old Testament and gospels prior to Pentecost.

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We are currently in the dispensation of Grace as defined by God, which houses the mystery of the one body AKA ...Christians

How much grace is there in Revelation ???

It is used twice …. once in the opening salutation Rev 1:4 and once in the closing verse Rev 22:21.

Compare that to the 72 times grace is referred to in the seven Church epistles of Romans through Thessalonians…..plus 10x in Acts ….. and 34x in Timothy through Jude … all of which pertain to the administration of grace…… that comes to 116 X

But all things being equal…. I would deduct the 27x from all of the epistles where grace is used as an opening and closing salutation. That would leave us with 89 total times grace is referred to …. but if we deduct the salutations from Revelation ….there would be ~ zero ~

{For reference…. grace is used 37 x throughout the entire OT …. and 4x in gospels ….}



I’ll add a few more



*Church of God is reference 9 times in Acts and the epistles zero X in Old Testament & Gospels… zero X in Revelation

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*One Body is referenced 14 X in the Church epistles only… zero X in Revelation.

The one body will be gone at the “gathering together” (rapture) ………….In Revelation it will only be Jews and Gentiles.

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*The mystery in the administration of grace is “the one new man” Jews and gentiles being fellow heirs and of the same body ….this mystery is referred in the church epistles 14 times ….

The only mystery that is referred to in Revelation is ……..Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Absolute Twaddle!

Absolute Twaddle!

Liar.

i AM NOT A LIAR AND YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE SAID THAT. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I AM NOT A LIAR BUT I SPEAK GOD'S TRUTH.

I notice that you did not even attempt to prove your lie from scripture. Go ahead and try.

I don't have to prove anything since God is my witness. But you have to prove that you are seeking the mind of Christ. Those who seek the mind of Christ do not make FALSE accusations. You have just shown up here, whereas I have been here a long time and people know exactly where I stand.

Thank you for your in depth input….

Wasn't that the capital city of Elbonia?

God is not your witness because you are bearing false witness of his word, and I did not falsely accuse you of anything. I called you a liar because you lied.

I believe that every one of these back and forth, he-said/she-said, "I'm right because I'm led by the Spirit" types of discussions about end times are purely Satanic in origin.
You folks are not only wasting time and energy trashing your brothers and sisters, instead of trying to expand the kingdom, you are also alienating ANY person who is truly seeking Jesus.

It is a waste of time... NOBODY knows the hour or time Jesus is returning. WHO CARES if it's pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ..... ?????
We are to be ready..... and that does not mean "you better start acting right, because it's getting close" It means "live your life every day as much as you can, like Jesus.... because any moment could be your last"

We know, as believers, how this whole "earth" story ends. That should be enough.

Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.

Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.

Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.

I believe that every one of these back and forth, he-said/she-said, "I'm right because I'm led by the Spirit" types of discussions about end times are purely Satanic in origin.
You folks are not only wasting time and energy trashing your brothers and sisters, instead of trying to expand the kingdom, you are also alienating ANY person who is truly seeking Jesus.

It is a waste of time... NOBODY knows the hour or time Jesus is returning. WHO CARES if it's pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ..... ?????
We are to be ready..... and that does not mean "you better start acting right, because it's getting close" It means "live your life every day as much as you can, like Jesus.... because any moment could be your last"

We know, as believers, how this whole "earth" story ends. That should be enough.