This question is for Pretribulational advocates but anybody can chime in.

Jesus responds to q question by His disciples at Matthew 24:3. "And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying. "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age/world." Jesus then explains from verses 4-14 the things that will be taking place, which by the way are happening in a big way as of the writing of this post.

Jesus then gives what I will call a "tip off" of what to look for at Matthew 24:15, "Therefore (therefore is defined as "for that reason" referring to what was said in the previous verses) when you see the Abomination of Desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),"

The Apostle Paul at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 backs up Jesus' statement. "Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, vs2, that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Vs3, Let no one in any way deceive you, for (or because) it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, vs4, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God."

In regards to the above the Apostle Paul made the following comments on this issue at 2 Timothy 2:16-18, "But avoid worldly and empt5y chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, vs17, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, vs18, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection (singular) has already taken place, and thus upset the faith of some."

So here is my question? What verse or verses can you provide proving that the so-called rapture of the Church will happen before the antichrist is revealed, standing in the temple/holy place claiming to be God?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Here is a link to explain answers for your question about the rapture of the church. https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html

I'm well familiar with Got Questions. In fact I know one of the contributers. I'm asking for proof of how you know the so-called rapture of the church is before the antichrist is revealed?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You were given a response... seems like your question might have been rhetorical. The responder clearly feels that the answer can be found at the link provided. Your familiarity with the source doesn't diminish the response to your query.

First of all my question is not "rhetorical," it's straight forward. The "Got Questions" just says there will be a rapture of the Church, my question is "when?" Please provide scriptural proof that it is BEFORE the appearance of the antichrist like Jesus and Paul explained.

In fact, let me put it to you another way that can be found at 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7. "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, vs7, and to give relief/REST to you who are afflicted and to us as well WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire."

Notice the word "when" at vs7. Christians will get "rest" when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire." In like manner, show me verses/proof of when the so-called rapture will happen, will it be before the antichrist is revealed standing in the holy place/temple? So what's so difficult about the question?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I believe his answer was anything but precise,. in fact it was not even in the same ballpark. Now, please tell me what was unclear with the scriptures I provided?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Many years ago, I dropped this popular rapture theory like a hot potato. When I compared it to Scripture, I found it not to be true—not even close.

s e l a h

This is certainly a very popular statement - and has its good purpose when expressing your intent to believe the Bible; however, what real good does it do in this type of context if it is not accompanied by what you believe scripture clearly states...???

What are the views of the people who don't believe in a pre-trib rapture? Do you think we will be here the first 3 1/2 years or the entire 7 years of tribulation? What are your thoughts?

Or, perhaps you were indicating that the article the link pointed to sufficiently explains what you believe? (so as to speak for you)

Those are good questions (and, I know what I believe - and, what my answers would be) - but - let us not derail this thread. Instead, in this thread, folks should focus on the answer to the question of the OP.

While the article may have been offered with good intent - the article does not really answer the question of the OP. It suggests that the 'rapture' and the Second Coming of Christ are two separate events; however, it does not show how other parts of scripture - like the OP is interested in - align with those two suggested events.

Good for you. I've been a Christian over 61 years now and that's what I was taught. I changed my view about 55 years ago and have never looked back. I've always attended Calvary Chapel Churches even to this day and they teach the pre-trib view.

My point of this thread is to get people with an opposing view to think critically and to know for a fact to know what you believe and "WhY" you believe it.

As Christians were are to "prove" all things. This according to 1 Thessalonians 5:22-28. Also 1Peter 3:15-16, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give a reason for the hope that is in you." Does that not make sense?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

What does scripture "clearly state" that answers the question of the OP?

Can you tell us?

I have a similar story.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)

Do you see anything here about the Antichrist or the Holy Place? This is the primary revelation of the Rapture and the very words of Christ. Enough said.

My story is also similar, but not so many years ago.

Of course not! Why would I see anything about the antichrist or the Holy Place? The immediate context is Jesus reassuring His disciples that He will not leave them as orphans. Jesus is also explaining that the Father is in Him and He is in the Father. This of course DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS THE PERSON OF THE FATHER. John 14:9-10. The Father has no separate manifestation from the Son. The Son is the only manifestation and revelation of the Father. To see the Son is to see the essence of the Father.

The to reinsure them even more Jesus says at vs16 He will give another Helper, that He may be with you forever, vs16-17. Now that I have explained the context how about addressing my specific question?
"What verse or verses can you provide proving that the so-called rapture of the Church will happen before the antichrist is revealed, standing in the temple/holy place claiming to be God?" How about you dealing with the words of Christ Himself at Matthew 24:1-15?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I need a story.