Is it Necessary to do the Will of the Father to Enter Into the Kingdom of Heaven?

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Cameron143

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posthuman said:
Matthew 11:6​
blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.​
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Beatitude 11A. That's an incredible verse actually. People really don't understand God's ways. Here Jesus tells John's disciples that everything is going exactly as planned despite John's imprisonment. This is how God conducts His business. Many want the association with Christ without the ramifications. But blessed are those who aren't offended that God works this way.
 
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Blade said:
But I have already been judged and have been saved and a citizen of heaven.
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interesting point... :)

Matthew 21:31​
Amen Amen, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.​
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the language here is present indicative active.
they are going into the kingdom of God at the time He says this, not later.
so this entrance cannot be contingent on a later indefinite period of time doing works, but is granted based on something they have already done.

perhaps believed?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Otherwise, your focus would be on knowing Christ, instead of on trying to obey.
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People just love to negate the Gospel. That is Satan's trick. Always go somewhere else instead of focusing on the Gospel. Personally I am sick and tired of people undermining the Gospel. John 3 is never enough (and that is only a fraction of all the Gospel passages).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
People just love to negate the Gospel. That is Satan's trick. Always go somewhere else instead of focusing on the Gospel. Personally I am sick and tired of people undermining the Gospel. John 3 is never enough (and that is only a fraction of all the Gospel passages).
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I agree. But don't grow weary in well doing. In due season a harvest will be reaped.
 
Seeker47

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I was thinking, lets look at this from another perspective. Sometimes questions become clearer when we look at them in a mirror; look at them in reverse.

So: "Is God's will unnecessary to enter the Kingdom of Heaven"?

Whaaa?
 
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Good works are not a prerequisite of salvation, they are a result of it…

Ezekiel 36: 26-27
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

John 15: 5
I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

Ephesians 1: 13-14
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
 
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KJ33 said:
Good works are not a prerequisite of salvation, they are a result of it…

Ezekiel 36: 26-27
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

John 15: 5
I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

Ephesians 1: 13-14
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
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Does this mean you believe it is necessary to do the will of the Father to enter into the kingdom of heaven?
 
Dino246

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Does this mean you believe it is necessary to do the will of the Father to enter into the kingdom of heaven?
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Dude... you're being a stubborn fool. Tell us PLAINLY what YOU think "doing the will of the Father" means. Repeating yourself just makes you come across as a broken record, a bot, or a moron. You're neither edifying nor teaching anyone with your vain repetition.
 
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Dino246 said:
Dude... you're being a stubborn fool. Tell us PLAINLY what YOU think "doing the will of the Father" means. Repeating yourself just makes you come across as a broken record, a bot, or a moron. You're neither edifying nor teaching anyone with your vain repetition.
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I am doing the will of the Father right now and it is working. o_O
 
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Dino246 said:
Dude... you're being a stubborn fool. Tell us PLAINLY what YOU think "doing the will of the Father" means. Repeating yourself just makes you come across as a broken record, a bot, or a moron. You're neither edifying nor teaching anyone with your vain repetition.
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Doing the will of the Father for those who are in Christ is doing anything which God is leading them to do.
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
I never said I attend any denomination.
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I asked what church you go to. I added denom because most prob attend some denom church.

Care to answer? You have been saved only 3 years and it sounds like you attend some place where they pound the ideas of sin into people without much grace.

Actually, you sound scared.
 
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I might have you confused with someone else but, if you don't believe in the son then you are, in fact, not doing the will of the father, whatever it is you are doing.
 
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Niki7 said:
I asked what church you go to. I added denom because most prob attend some denom church.

Care to answer? You have been saved only 3 years and it sounds like you attend some place where they pound the ideas of sin into people without much grace.

Actually, you sound scared.
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You are the one who is scared.
 
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Mem said:
I might have you confused with someone else but, if you don't believe in the son then you are, in fact, not doing the will of the father, whatever it is you are doing.
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You are the one talking about not believing in the son; I have none of your heresy.
 
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Niki7 said:
Ok. Since you are but a child hiding behind things you do not really understand, I will check out of your opinions now.

and ignore you.
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Just make sure you do the will of the Father on the way out. :ROFL:
 
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Niki7 said:
Ok. Since you are but a child hiding behind things you do not really understand, I will check out of your opinions now.

and ignore you.
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THIS IS ONE OF MY BEST OPINIONS!
ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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