Israel Declares War

Listen, I agreed with Spurgeon on that point it was not an exhaustive statement on his theology of end times.

I am not even a Spurgeon fan but that sentiment made sense to me, I can share what I want if it offers a countervailing view.

It was an observation he made, not proof of anything, not sure why you are all flustered about it.

There is no such thing as an infinite gap. Ezekiel prophesied how many years Israel would be exiled and how many years Judah would be exiled. Leviticus says if they are still rebellious then God multiplies the time by 7 and if they are still rebellious he multiplies it by 7 again. It is very clear from History that Israel and Judah's penalty expires in 1948 and it is the only year where both penalties would expire in the same year.

But they're still rebellious! Are they going go away this time for 7000 years? Lol. I will read your blog - when I figure out how to find it.

https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture.197802/page-504

I am going to look for the exposition about Ezekiel that shows 1948 is the year that both Judah and Israel get to return and when I find it I'll post it on this thread.

The prophets say that when they return that will be the case, they do not see Jesus again until they say "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord" and that is when Jesus steps down on the mount of Olives at the end of the 7 years.

God chose the most stiff necked and obstinate people because it gives the rest of us the biggest opportunity to repent and come to Jesus before the age closes out.

Ah, you think America is Babylon? (Just reading the page you linked). My suspicion is that Israel is Babylon the Great. Was there a specific video on your page that shows 1948 is the year?

Agree.

I'd be careful what I said. Boy are you gonna get a shock. smh

Yes and there are specific links that go into great depth proving America is the great Babylon.

1. Israel does not sit on many waters

2. Israel is not a superpower

3. Israel has not made all the nations drink of the wine of her abominations. That refers to Hollywood, Disney, and all our publishing media including Cable news, etc.

4. Israel did not take the word of God to all the nations, the Christians did, particularly the UK and the US. We are the "daughter" of the UK. The word of God is considered fine gold, and Babylon holds a golden cup in her hand that she used to make all the nations drink from.

5. If Israel were destroyed all the merchants of the world would not be crying. The US is the biggest consumer nation, if we get destroyed that will make them cry.

You could make the case that Adam and Eve sinning against God, resulting in the fall of the entire human race, was the most horrible moment in history.

God told us in the OT over and over again, that NOTHING short of His death, through His Son, was the only possible remedy.

So in that sense, Jesus's death was the pinnacle of His plan to redeem mankind.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus.
YOU, and I did, because of our sin.

You seem to be only able to see events through the Amil lens. I'd encourage you to take off those glasses and see that to say that JESUS was the abomination that causes desolation is really kinda blasphemous.

The Years of Punishment Prophecy (part 1)

This prophecy clearly points to the Lord’s second return in 2030.

House of Israel -- 10 tribes to the North

House of Judah -- Judah and Benjamin

Jeremiah 3:6 Moreover, the Lord said to me in the days of Josiah the king [of Judah], “Have you seen what that faithless Israel has done—how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there she was a prostitute? 7 I thought, ‘After she has done all these things she will return to Me’; but she did not return, and her treacherous (faithless) sister Judah saw it. 8 And I saw [that even though Judah knew] that for all the acts of adultery (idolatry) of faithless Israel, I [the Lord] had sent her away and given her a certificate of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah was not afraid; but she went and was a prostitute also [following after idols]. 9 Because of the thoughtlessness of Israel’s prostitution [her immorality mattered little to her], she desecrated the land and committed adultery with [idols of] stones and trees. 10 Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with her whole heart, but rather in [blatant] deception [she merely pretended obedience to King Josiah’s reforms],” declares the Lord.

Israel was divorced and scattered among the Gentiles where they remain to this day. This is why Jesus said:

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was commissioned by God and sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

The House of Judah did return to Israel after having been in Babylon, Israel didn’t. However, Judah did not repent with her whole heart.
Ezekiel 37 tells us that both Judah and Israel will be restored and return to the Lord together as one nation.

15 The word of the Lord came again to me, saying, 16 “And you, son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17 Then join them together into one stick, so that they may become one in your hand. 18 When your people say to you, ‘Will you not tell us what you mean by these?’ 19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am going to take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join the stick of Judah with it and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’ 20 The sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes. 21 Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am going to take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king over all of them; and they will no longer be two nations, and will no longer be divided into two kingdoms.

This takes place right after God raises them from their graves and brings them to Israel.

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will open your graves and make you come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you [back home] to the land of Israel. 13 Then you will know [with confidence] that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and made you come up out of your graves, My people. 14 I will put My Spirit in you and you will come to life, and I will place you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and fulfilled it,” says the Lord.’”

This ushers in the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ.

24 “My servant David will be king over them, and they all will have one shepherd. They will also walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25 They will live in the land where your fathers lived, [the land] that I gave to My servant Jacob, and they will live there, they and their children and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David will be their leader forever.

Most of the Jews are not walking in the ordinances and statutes and Jesus is not their leader. Before this can take place the punishment period needs to expire. They enter in on Jubilee year 120. So the question is if the year 2030 is the year the Bible says the punishment period will end and the same year as the 120th jubilee year.

The Years of Punishment Prophecy (part 2)

Ezekiel 4 tells us when the punishment years begin and when they will end.

Ezekiel 4:4 “Then lie down on your left side (toward the north) to bear [symbolically] the wickedness and punishment of the house of Israel. You shall bear their wickedness and punishment for the number of days that you lie on your side. 5 For I have assigned you the years of their wickedness and punishment, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days [representing three hundred and ninety years]; in this way you shall bear [symbolically] the wickedness and punishment of the house of Israel. 6 When you have completed these [days for Israel], lie down again, but on your right side (toward the south), and you shall bear the wickedness and punishment of the house of Judah forty days. I have assigned you one day for each year. 7 Then you shall set your face toward the siege of Jerusalem with your arm bared and prophesy against it. 8 Now behold, I will put ropes on you so that you cannot turn from one side to the other until you have completed the days of your siege.

9 “But as for you, take wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet, and spelt, and put them into one vessel and make them into bread for yourself. You shall eat it according to the number of the days that you lie on your side, three hundred and ninety days. 10 The food you eat each day shall be [measured] by weight, twenty shekels, to be eaten daily at a set time. 11 You shall drink water by measure also, the sixth part of a hin; you shall drink daily at a set time.

390 days for the house of Israel representing 390 years.

40 days for the house of Judah representing 40 years.

Both punishments are related to a siege of Jerusalem. The 390 years of punishment began at the first siege of Jerusalem and the 40 years of punishment leads to the last siege of Jerusalem.

Leviticus 26:18 And I will kill her children (followers) with pestilence [thoroughly annihilating them], and all the churches will know [without any doubt] that I am He who searches the minds and hearts [the innermost thoughts, purposes]; and I will give to each one of you [a reward or punishment] according to your deeds.

The punishment was for 390 years but Israel still did not listen so it was increased sevenfold. The same is with Judah, they also did not listen and so their punishment was also increased sevenfold.

Ezekiel is told to turn his face towards the siege of Jerusalem, so the siege of Jerusalem is the starting point for each time of punishment. The punishment period begins when we see the punishment begin.

Ezekiel 4:1 “Now you, son of man, take a brick, place it before you and inscribe on it [a diagram of] the city of Jerusalem. 2 Then lay siege against it, build a siege wall, raise a ramp against it; set up [enemy] camps and place battering rams all around it. 3 Further, take an iron plate and place it as an iron wall between you and the city, and set your face toward it so that it is under siege, and besiege it. This is a sign to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel represents the siege, the brick is Jerusalem, and between the two there is an iron wall. This means this first siege does not break through the wall. They limit food and water, but the first siege is not successful. The punishment of Israel began at the first siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians in 701 BCE. This was the first siege of Jerusalem and it was unsuccessful. This was the beginning of the punishment period for Israel. 311 BCE is 390 years after 701 BCE. Did Israel repent? No.

390 x 7 = 2730 years. 2730 + 701 BCE = 2030 AD (there is no 0 year).

2030 is the next available opportunity for Israel to repent, return to the Lord and be joined to Judah to enter into the reign of Jesus the Messiah according to Ezekiel 37.

Now let’s look at the punishment for the house of Judah.

Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who murders the prophets and stones [to death] those [messengers] who are sent to her [by God]! How often I wanted to gather your children together [around Me], as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Listen carefully: your house is being left to you desolate [completely abandoned by God and destitute of His protection]! 39 For I say to you, you will not see Me again [ministering to you publicly] until you say, ‘Blessed [to be celebrated with praise] is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

Their punishment began in 30 AD when Jesus was crucified. According to the record they were punished for 40 years prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. The curtain separating the holy of holies was torn asunder. Every year for forty years the temple doors would not stay shut, the Menorah would not stay lit for forty years, the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand for forty years and the Yom Kippur scarlet thread would not turn white for forty years.

They failed to repent and so the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the destruction of Jerusalem began their 7 fold punishment period.

40x7=280, 280+70 = 350 AD.

Did they repent in 350 AD?

So then 280 x 7 = 1960 years. They have already served the first 280 year period.

1960 + 70 = 2030

2030 is the first and last time that Judah and Israel can repent, and be joined together as one stick. After this their punishment periods will not end at the same time. Both punishment periods would be multiplied by 7 and they will never mathematically sync up again.

While Ezekiel is laying on his side he is to only eat 20 shekels weight of food and ⅙ hin of water.

20 x 6 = 120. Pointing us to 120 jubilees.

120 x 50 = 6,000. Pointing us to the 6,000 years that to God is 6 days in which He creates a man.

Finally, the punishment period of the House of Israel is represented by his laying on his left side and the punishment period for the house of Judah is depicted by laying on his right side.

If we have a timeline the right side would begin after the siege of Israel, and the left side would begin before the siege of Israel, but that is because in the west we read from left to right. In Hebrew it is the opposite, they read from right to left. So then for the Jews this is the opposite, the punishment for Israel begins with the siege of Jerusalem, whereas the punishment for Judah begins 40 years before the siege of Jerusalem when they crucified Jesus.

Babylon Mother of harlots = Rome
Harlots = Denominations

Revelation 17:5,9 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

[9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

This brother shares about Ezekiel 4 at the 34 minute mark, but this video is filled with prophecies concerning the timeline of the end of the age.

Messiah 2030 ~ The Prophetic Messianic Timeline - Part 2

You are emotionally charged on this issue and very biased so I am reluctant to engage you on this topic.

I am busy person, but if I have time I will go back.

Babylon the Great = The US

1. Babylon has made all the nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication --

that sounds like Hollywood to me. You could only say this of the US, no one else. No other country "has made all the nations to drink" of anything.

2. Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

The only country that could be called "the glory of kingdoms" for this last 80+ years is the US. It is also the country that seems closest to being Sodom and Gomorrah these days.

3. I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters

The US sits upon the Atlantic ocean, the Pacific ocean, the Gulf of Mexico, and the arctic ocean. Not only so but we have a base on Antarctica and sit on that ocean as well. Who else has as many bases as the US does around the world? No one else sits on many waters, certainly not Rome.

4. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stone and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations

In the Bible the word of God is likened to fine gold. What nation has "the word of God" in their hand? What nation distributed Bibles to the whole earth? This cup is full of abominations. We bring Hollywood to the whole earth in this cup of the US being a "Christian" nation. People argue that purple and scarlet refers to the Catholic church. But there are other denominations as well that wear those colors, we have all of them in the US and what about the gold, precious stone and pearls? That sounds like the prosperity gospel, and all the other idolatrous leaders of the various pagan and covetous religions.

5. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:

This is why people think it is Rome but consider this, the US is the only country with bases on all seven continents. If the seven mountains (not hills) refer to the seven continents then the only possibility is the US. Surely at the time of John you would have said this referred to Rome, but today it refers to the US.

6. 18 And the woman whom thou sawest is the great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

What "great city" reigns over the earth? Surely not Rome. It used to be London but now it is clearly Washington DC. Look at the US dollar you can see the Whitehouse, Lincoln memorial and other buildings in Washington DC. The US dollar reigns over the kings of the earth and it is depicted by a city, Washington DC.

7. and the merchants of the earth waxed rich by the power of her wantonness.

This has to refer to the US. The US is the biggest consumer nation in the world.

8. 11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, for no man buyeth their merchandise any more;

Again, this must refer to the US, certainly not to Rome, or Italy or even Europe.

Prophets always had to have a short term prophecy, and a longer term prophecy. The former, to prove they weren't false prophets.

So If you are able to see that the Olivet discourse, actually involved 2 different locations where Jesus spoke, and had differing messages in vital places, that had a short term prophecy, the destruction of the Temple, and Jerusalem in AD 70. And a far yet FUTURE prophecy, dealing with the end times, and His second return, then maybe you can accept the Jews being in Israel today.
I'll copy and paste a post I made about the Olivet discourse here. I'd encourage you to examine closely the 3 Gospel accounts, and note the difference between Mark & Matthew, which are virtually identical, and Luke, which has important differences than those 2.

"But what few Amil Christians understand, is that the Olivet discourses in Matthew and Mark are virtually identical.

Whereas Luke is different in key areas.

Matthew and Marks account take place at night, privately, with just His disciples.

Part of the Luke account takes place in the day, AT THE TEMPLE, in front of the people.

Read all 3 and notice the difference.

So indeed “that generation” did not pass before the destruction of Jerusalem, 38 years, the exact time of the wilderness wanderings.

But the generation In Matthew comes “after these things”.

You missed the whole point. God's covenants to Abraham and David, among others, (there are a total 8 of them in Scripture BTW)
will be fulfilled DESPITE the obstinacy and unbelief of men.

Furthermore, though the Church be one Body, once the rapture happens, the dynamic becomes once again that of saving gentiles via the nation of the Priests of the True God (Israel).

In other words, the mandate that aforetime Israel abandoned, they will, upon their soon and future rebirth, fulfill in all righteousness and faithfulness.

Okay well you are expanding out into a different direction.

Considering the words of Jesus, even though God foreknew perhaps if the Jews had accepted Him as Messiah things may have gone a different way, there is a reason Jesus said those words.

You can wait for the abomination of desolation, I stick with the words of Jesus .... YOU, This generation, etc.,