Israel Declares War

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

shittim

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2016
13,773
7,769
113
I sat in this gentleman's teaching in the 80's , he said he received the outline by Holy Spirit and had not changed it.
For such a time as this?
If guided , please share abundantly


 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
Just to let you know:
The Davidic covenant GUARANTEES a perpetual eternal house of David. And consequently the nation Israel.

It is impossible to wipe out the people and nation Israel, despite your ambitious pretentions.
Not all who claim to be Israel are Israel. And those who are Israel don't need to claim to be so.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
What I dislike is Christians acting as apologists for war criminals and justifying an ideology reminiscent of Nazism, just in case the remnant comprise some of the villains (on some very tentative claims of prophecy fulfillment). God tells us to judge justly - not to give leniency to criminals
Amen.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
What!?

Where did you get this?
"He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ years after his revealing) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing (span of time) of abominations (ongoing atoning sacrifices) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate." (judgement on Jerusalem) (Daniel 9:27)
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
"He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ years after his revealing) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing (span of time) of abominations (ongoing atoning sacrifices) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate." (judgement on Jerusalem) (Daniel 9:27)
That there is a prophecy that makes sense as fulfilled.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
That there is a prophecy that makes sense as fulfilled.
When you start to see the narrative of modern day Israel as prophetic fall apart and see it for the counterfeit it is, the rest begins to come into place as fulfilled.

And no the actions of the Rothschild family are not like Pharaoh, not comparable.

Where are the modern Jewish prophets appointed by God, surely God would send them someone?
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
When you start to see the narrative of modern day Israel as prophetic fall apart and see it for the counterfeit it is, the rest begins to come into place as fulfilled.

And no the actions of the Rothschild family are not like Pharaoh, not comparable.

Where are the modern Jewish prophets appointed by God, surely God would send them someone?
I hadn't heard that one - the Rothschilds compared to Pharaoh? Is that supposed to be Rothschild giving Israelis the land (that he'd stolen)? Lol. I can see how it's totally non-comparable.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,580
9,098
113
"He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ years after his revealing) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing (span of time) of abominations (ongoing atoning sacrifices) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate." (judgement on Jerusalem) (Daniel 9:27)
OMG dude.

That's the most twisted interpretation of that passage I've ever heard.

And that's saying something, cause I been around the block a few times!

All good though. You be a brother in the Lord and I certainly love you for that, if for no other reason.
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
OMG dude.

That's the most twisted interpretation of that passage I've ever heard.

And that's saying something, cause I been around the block a few times!

All good though. You be a brother in the Lord and I certainly love you for that, if for no other reason.
Really? It's the one that makes the most sense. You don't need an infinite-sized gap in Daniel's prophecy - it's very satisfying. (I disagree that Jesus on the cross is the abomination that causes desolation - I thought this was the Roman armies, and was why the Christians - heeding Jesus' warning to them - left Jerusalem (for Pella) before it was destroyed in 70AD).
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
Rubbish. I've seen footage of the missile and the moment the rocket flamed out. What has been proven is that much of the world is utterly hostile to Israel. What has not been proven is that Israel had anything to do with the explosion. What is your problem? Do you want to believe the worst?
So you are an expert in examining footage and know the sounds of the different rockets and missiles.

You have in your possession the authentic raw extended video footage?

There are people who do such things for a living maybe expand you mind and do some research.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
OMG dude.

That's the most twisted interpretation of that passage I've ever heard.

And that's saying something, cause I been around the block a few times!

All good though. You be a brother in the Lord and I certainly love you for that, if for no other reason.
Is there anything worse than the crucifixion of Jesus?

He told His disciples they would be witness to it, so just on that point it was not a 2000+ years into the future event.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
Yes.

Him NOT being crucified.

Otherwise, we are ALL still lost in our sins.
But Jesus also stated...

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

So the fact He was crucified is in fact the most horrible moment in history, the ground shook and the veil was torn.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

Well-known member
Jan 17, 2023
4,773
2,059
113
OMG dude.

That's the most twisted interpretation of that passage I've ever heard.

And that's saying something, cause I been around the block a few times!

All good though. You be a brother in the Lord and I certainly love you for that, if for no other reason.

Oh he's good at the twisting. Notice how he didn't answer my posts about Spurgeon. Whatever, however, got to make the narrative fit. Even though it's got nothing to do with the truth of the Word. smh
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,832
2,269
113
OMG dude.

That's the most twisted interpretation of that passage I've ever heard.

And that's saying something, cause I been around the block a few times!

All good though. You be a brother in the Lord and I certainly love you for that, if for no other reason.
It is only twisted to you because you have one view presented over and over.

This was not a different view prior to Darbyism.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,514
6,684
113
Is there anything worse than the crucifixion of Jesus?

He told His disciples they would be witness to it, so just on that point it was not a 2000+ years into the future event.
I think it is abundantly clear that Matthew 24 is responding to when every stone in the Temple will be thrown down, but at the same time to two other questions, the sign of His coming and when the end will be.

As usual, the word of God is a double edged sword. No doubt the context is the destruction of the temple in 70AD and Jesus uses that as a template for the end of the age.

As for "an infinite gap" this is a bogus concept from those who don't know the Bible. In Leviticus God tells us how long our punishment will be if we do not repent, he multiplies the period by 7 and if we still don't repent he multiplies it by 7 again.

In Ezekiel there is a prophecy about Ezekiel lying on one side for Israel and on the other for Judah. Those time periods, when multiplied by 7 and then again by 7 come to 1948. You can find the discussion of this on Youtube and I have shared the links on my blog. 1948 is the only year where both Judah and Israel would be released from punishment at the same time. This also matches a prophecy in Ezekiel about two sticks (Israel and Judah) being united as one.
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
Oh he's good at the twisting. Notice how he didn't answer my posts about Spurgeon. Whatever, however, got to make the narrative fit. Even though it's got nothing to do with the truth of the Word. smh
C'mon! That interpretation best fits the prophecy of Daniel. It doesn't need the cheaters' infinite gap, which turns Daniel's prophecy into a non-prophecy.
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,540
113
I think it is abundantly clear that Matthew 24 is responding to when every stone in the Temple will be thrown down, but at the same time to two other questions, the sign of His coming and when the end will be.

As usual, the word of God is a double edged sword. No doubt the context is the destruction of the temple in 70AD and Jesus uses that as a template for the end of the age.

As for "an infinite gap" this is a bogus concept from those who don't know the Bible. In Leviticus God tells us how long our punishment will be if we do not repent, he multiplies the period by 7 and if we still don't repent he multiplies it by 7 again.

In Ezekiel there is a prophecy about Ezekiel lying on one side for Israel and on the other for Judah. Those time periods, when multiplied by 7 and then again by 7 come to 1948. You can find the discussion of this on Youtube and I have shared the links on my blog. 1948 is the only year where both Judah and Israel would be released from punishment at the same time. This also matches a prophecy in Ezekiel about two sticks (Israel and Judah) being united as one.
How I get to your blog?