about Suicide

PennEd · Oct 24, 2023

Speaking of suicide.... What Canadian needs a MAID?

Canada set to legalize MAID for drug addicts

If you don't know what M.A.I.D. is it's an acronym for Medical Assistance in Dying.

When Canada expands doctor-assisted suicide — or medical assistance in dying (MAID) — next year to people whose sole condition is that they struggle from severe mental illness, it is looking increasingly likely that the government will also allow people who are addicted to drugs to qualify as well. Many have described this latest dystopian move in Canada’s increasingly expanding MAID regime as eugenics.

As the government appears to make every effort possible to make it easier for Canadians to get addicted to dangerous drugs and to keep them addicted to drugs, the government is now opening the door to letting them take their own lives at the hands of the state.

BillG · Oct 24, 2023

notmyown said:

They do one of my favourite aftershaves, profumo

JimmyTheLock · Oct 24, 2023

Fundaamental said:

In most jurisdictions in the US, attempting suicide is actually illegal and yes people that survive their suicide attempt are frequently charged

I'd imagine it's a misdemeanor and most of the time courts assign them with a trip to the nut hut

Fundaamental · Oct 24, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

You have this information wrong.

According to suicide legislation suicide is not illegal in the USA.

It is only illegal under euthanasia.

Which means no person can be charged with a criminal offense for attempting suicide.

Here is the necessary evidence to support this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation.

A person has to be deemed sane to be criminalised under the mental health act.

And no person is ever considered sane who attempts suicide.

Also a person considered fit for a mental health hospital ward is not considered a nut retard as you put it, but a person's who has an unfortunate health problem.

Which according to the bible

It is important that as believers we do not judge, belittle, or condemn people struggling with a mental illness.

Rather than condemning those with mental illnesses, Christians are to help, show kindness, and love them, John 13: 34-35.

34I give you a new commandment:* love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. 35This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

JimmyTheLock · Oct 25, 2023

Fundaamental said:

Congress never passed a nationwide law making suicide to not be illegal... you did not read the entire article in wiki.... here's what it says about the United States and it doesn't NOT provide proof that Congress passed anything forbidding states from considering suicide to be illegal.

United States

In the United States of America, some topics are determined by federal law whereas others differ across states. The information on suicide prevention legislation will be discussed at the federal level first and will be followed by those states that have some form of legislation.

Historically, various states listed the act of suicide as a felony, but these policies were sparsely enforced. In the late 1960s, 18 U.S. states had no laws against suicide.[181] By the late 1980s, 30 of the 50 states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts, but every state had laws declaring it to be a felony to aid, advise, or encourage another person to suicide.[182]

By the early 1990s only two states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification.[citation needed] In some U.S. states, suicide is still considered an unwritten "common law crime," as stated in Blackstone's Commentaries. (So held the Virginia Supreme Court in 1992. Wackwitz v. Roy, 418 S.E.2d 861 (Va. 1992)). As a common law crime, suicide can bar recovery for the late suicidal person's family in a lawsuit unless the suicidal person can be proven to have been "of unsound mind."

That is, the suicide must be proven to have been an involuntary act of the victim in order for the family to be awarded monetary damages by the court. This can occur when the family of the deceased sues the caregiver (perhaps a jail or hospital) for negligence in failing to provide appropriate care.[183] Some American legal scholars look at the issue as one of personal liberty.

According to Nadine Strossen, former President of the ACLU, "The idea of government making determinations about how you end your life, forcing you...could be considered cruel and unusual punishment in certain circumstances, and Justice Stevens in a very interesting opinion in a right-to-die [case] raised the analogy."[184] Physician-assisted suicide is legal in some states.[185] For the terminally ill, it is legal in the state of Oregon under the Oregon Death with Dignity Act.

In Washington state, it became legal in 2009, when a law modeled after the Oregon act, the Washington Death with Dignity Act was passed. A patient must be diagnosed as having less than six months to live, be of sound mind, make a request orally and in writing, have it approved by two different doctors, then wait 15 days and make the request again. A doctor may prescribe a lethal dose of a medication but may not administer it.[186]

In California, medical facilities are empowered or required to commit anyone whom they believe to be suicidal for evaluation and treatment.[187]

In Maryland, it is an open question as to whether suicide is illegal. In 2018, a Maryland man was convicted of attempted suicide.[188][189][190]

In New York State in 1917, while suicide was "a grave public wrong", an attempt to commit suicide was a felony, punishable by a maximum penalty of two years' imprisonment.[191][192]

JimmyTheLock · Oct 25, 2023

Fundaamental said:

I'm simply telling you what the Lord said about it... you did notice I'm not God and I'm not the one saying this....

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You're disagreement is what the Lord and what He said... not with me.

Feel free to tell the Lord He's got it all wrong...

Fundaamental · Oct 25, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

It's your own doing that your making a doctrine out of one verse, three times you still have yet to acknowledge whether or not a person deemed unfit mentally to make a sane decision is guilty of destroying Gods temple.

For most people who take there life, would not even know such verse in the bible exists or even knows it refers to what you want it to mean, in the manner that you do. Which is to disregard accountability for mentally unstable people.

There is many mentally ill people who are classed as disabled. Because they can't be trusted to be left alone as they are a danger to them selves and others.

How ever for Christians who want to fight until the end. I'm sure most Christians with a strong mind would deal with most of lifes hurdles well enough. Especially the mature people who have lived and survived many of life's obstacles.

The question is exactly who are you lecturing ?.

Lanolin · Oct 26, 2023

Not sure what the cost of christian burial is these days as most churches do not have graveyards next to them they now have carparks, and the cost varies from free to $20 an hour

Lanolin · Oct 26, 2023

Apparently some churches have what is know as death doulas, instead of chaplains.

Mary anointed Jesus before his death, covering him with oil, perfume and spices.
Jesus body was nearly destroyed by flogging and crucifying but it was a mercy he was given a rich mans tomb to place his body in, instead of a garbage dump which they called Gehenna, where criminals and thieve were dumped and burned.

JimmyTheLock · Oct 26, 2023

Fundaamental said:

That's God's call not ours... as a matter of doctrine from God's Word, 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 must be taught as to help prevent people from murdering themselves and ending up in hell.

Most people the doctors call unfit mentally still know and understand the difference between right and wrong so they will go to hell if the whack themselves simply because... they know it's wrong and God knows that they know it's wrong.

You don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation and insist on making excuses... which satan will use to help convince people to kill themselves.

Fundaamental said:

But, they instinctively know within themselves that there is something terribly wrong with killing themselves because the Lord put morality in to all people. Very few don't know that killing other or themselves is wrong.

Fundaamental said:

Apparently those such as yourself that want to make excuses claiming suicide is not all bad.

The devil uses the excuses made by the excuse maker to get others to think it's OK to go ahead and kill themselves.

JimmyTheLock · Oct 26, 2023

Lanolin said:

That's pretty steep for burial... most family can't pay $20 and hour to keep their stiffs in the ground.

hornetguy · Nov 2, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

JimmyTheLock · Nov 2, 2023

hornetguy said:

You would know!

stilllearning · Nov 11, 2023

hornetguy said:

Ok I got ya bro, have to admit I do the same thing myself, use a point or statement some has said. Use it as a launching post to make a statement or point of my own, which of course my tie in usually being related in a very narrow way. So I get your whole comment now, bad thing is as much as I have done the same on numerous occasions and used a post as described. I have to shake my head and laugh at myself, realizing I had no clue when someone else was doing the same.....LOL You have a great weekend my brother

Blade · Nov 11, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

Ok.. but that verse was not talking about suicide. The fact that verse starts of with "know you not" seems the Corinthians forgot something said before that. Yes the man that would destroy this building then would reap the most terrible of punishments. Phtheirei from verse 17 some say destroy others say can mean corrupt or spoil. So much to get in to but its not about suicide. It was about "group"? The Church? Read the whole chapter before and after it was never about suicide.

So no the disagreement is with you since you have taken a verse out of context God never did

resto · Nov 12, 2023

Christian Suicide and Non Christian suicide, is the result of Mental Illness. Whether from Injury to the skull or Decease or mental trauma(PTSD 22 vets a day commit suicide) . Gosh Ive never seen so many PHD Psychiatric Professionals on a Christian forum. This is a Miracle. My former wife worked in the Psychiatric field. Some of our friends are PHDs from Johns Hopkins( John Sobatka Roads Scholar) his wife (Head of Michigan State Psychiatric Dept, wrote the 100 question diagnosis test used by all Psychiatrist and psychologists Eva McCullars). I have worked in Christian Counselling for over 35 years. Im convinced of what John and Eva say about it. If a Christian gets Alzheimer's and blows his head of is he still saved? Get real. Thats like asking if God can make a boat so big that He Himself cant lift it. David says a lot of things that he doesnt have time to explain. I am no ones Judge, here or in Heaven. I cant tell for sure who is saved now, its not my job, way above my Pay Grade. God knows thats good enough for me.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 12, 2023

Blade said:

That's your opinion... when one commits suicide they are in fact destroying their own body which the Lord says is supposed to be His temple... you cannot explain that way in any attempt to make it OK for Christians to self murder!

Blade said:

So you are in the group of false teachers who tell everyone that when a Christians murders themselves... they go to Heaven which is a lie of the devil.

This is in fact sinful behavior... you might want to REPENT of that and of your eisgesis

resto said:

Molesting children is also a result of "mental illness" and we still send them to prison!
Those who commit suicide will be sent to hell which is eternal prison.

All the medical garbage you posted is nothing more than satanic excuses for why it's OK to go ahead and murder yourself.

The whole point of this is DON'T COMMIT SUICIDE cause it leads to someplace you don't want to be!

JimmyTheLock · Nov 22, 2023

Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Anybody notice this?

It says we are to present out bodies to the Lord as a LIVING sacrifice... that's a command to remain LIVING not dying.

Sipsey · Nov 22, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

So, your’e saying someone can kill someone else, and be forgiven, but they themselves do something dumb and die—and they go straight to Hell?

JimmyTheLock · Nov 22, 2023

Sipsey said:

Those that kill themselves... when did they have time to ask for forgiveness and then turn away from their sin?

Suicide is one sin people can't just turn away from because they are now dead due to their sinful behavior.

I'm simply reporting to you folks what God says in His Word... which is, if one destroys their body which is supposed to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit... then God will destroy them

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Matthew 10:28
Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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