about Suicide

As so many others these days, false teacher David Jeremiah teaches you can kill yourself and end up in heaven (Dr. Jeremiah Audio Clip).

I've had the funerals of a number of people who have taken their own lives, and quite often family members will come and say, "Is there any forgiveness if someone takes their own life." And I need to report that that sin is neither accorded any greater or lesser value in the economy of God than the other sins which are chronicled in the word of God. And it is possible, I believe, for a person who has gone through some terrible stress in their life and in a moment of not thinking clearly has ended their life that person very easily might find his place in heaven; especially because he could have given his heart to Christ in this life; and even to take one's life does not undue what God does in the inward act of salvation. (Saul's Suicide, tape TTW13)

This speaks directly against Matthew 24:13; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 15:2; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 14; 12:25; and 1 John 5:4. Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2).

It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:18).

This kind of teaching on suicide opens wide the door of death and Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:11-15) to those in despair.

Some might argue, "What about Samson? He committed suicide." Samson's "suicide" was actually an act of war, as he killed three thousand Philistines in his vengeance upon them (Judges 16:28-30). He died in his effort to kill others, as he said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" (Judges 16:30). It was not, as a typical suicide of our day, because of a lack of hope, or a deranged mind. He died with the Philistines to "take vengeance on the Philistines" for his two eyes (Judges 16:28). Plus, this was the only choice he had, to kill them as he did.

Typical suicidal people today are those who have no hope, and they are thus not in Christ (Ephesians 2:12; 1 Peter 1:3; 3:15), or they have been moved away from the hope of the gospel and are thus lost (Colossians 1:21-23). Those with deranged minds, or who "might have a mental breakdown," are those who do not have a sound mind and are therefore not in Christ (Isaiah 26:3; 2 Timothy 1:7). These people will end up in hell if they die in such a state. Such people are not saved.

Those that self murder (commit suicide) are in violation of these biblical truths:

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

*Those that self murder failed to abide In Christ until
the end of their lives, therefore they will not be saved

John 15:1-6
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1 Corinthians 15:2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 12:25
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I never issue an eternal destiny to or about anyone (save those that are born-again) because we just don’t know…. regardless of what our senses might ascertain….. it’s not our department.

I am not aware of any subordinating conjunction that is associated with salvation by grace. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

There is nothing in that or any other area regarding salvation that says “unless you commit suicide”

For you to give a conditional clause …. you must have determined that God didn’t get it right when He determined the requirement for salvation based in grace (Rom 10:9&10).

I am sure you are a wonderful person and sincere in your assessment, but sincerity is no guarantee for Truth…. And I am perfectly happy with the God I serve, and the existing directives written in the Word concerning salvation…

Suicide is an ugly, painful, and heartbreaking event that does not glorify God. There are many things that lead up to suicide including possession, but it is not the unforgivable sin [blasphemy].

You have accumulated several scriptures in attempt to substantiate your belief ….but none of it overrides …. 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I'm sure all those struggling with mental illness and other serious issues would thank you for your compassion.

When you're done playing God, go out and get to know some real people who have real struggles.

Those are some good verses for your post.

Our Heavenly Father will in no manner turn away a heart that is broken.

I think it would be wise to not get too dogmatic about that issue. Let God decide on an individual basis. Let's not assume that every case is the same.

Amen.

Amen.

Matthew 12:20
“A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.”

good work taking verses out of context anyway.

Interesting question. A difficult one, for sure, especially when relatives ask.
I don't think we can say definitively yes or no, like when people ask if pets & children go to Heaven. Perhaps some do and some don't depending on God's mercy.
Certainly Judas isn't in Heaven.
Elijah asked God to take his life and God responded by providing food & encouragement (1 Kings 19).
In Pilgrim's Progress Christian thinks about suicide and then finds he has a key called Promise which unlocks the dungeon door (he was completely without hope after being locked in Doubting Castle by Giant Despair who urged him to kill himself).
The Puritans believed that suicide would exclude a person from Heaven.
As Christians, I think if we feel suicidal we should keep our focus on the Lord. And SEEK HELP. Suicide is an act of destruction from desperation when feeling abandoned and defeated.
The ministry opportunity here is tremendous, such a huge field of need.

I agree 100%. The fact that David Jeremiah is taken seriously is testimony to the fact that people will believe anything if it comes from a popular professional Christian.

I'm just happy that none of you folks that espouse this type of hard-shell, no forgiveness, hell-fire and brimstone doctrine are actually in the position to make that call.
Suicide is the result of some sort of mental break down.... every doctor and psychiatrist will tell you that the will to survive is one of the strongest "instincts" humans have.
To willingly bypass that is a sign of a severe mental illness of some sort.

You should all go back and study more about the forgiving mind of Christ, and the love God has for us as his children... I think you missed all that.

Those fun loving, a laugh a minute, folks at the catholic church dreamed up all sorts of life time guilt inducing weird teaching, it helped build the business (church) but does not bear up to anyone who knows the Lord.
It's all energy, E=MC squared, energy is not destroyed, it goes from one form to another. Our spirit and soul shed the earth suit. This veterans NDE speaks of no space or time where he was taken, that lines up with the Quantum Dimension, where our Father lives, and there we might be also, in our time.

It’s so nice to see that the majority of you here do not condemn or judge people to hell.
This was a nice surprise for me. Thank you and may you always be blessed.

"Our thoughts" are quite often not our thoughts, our loving God who created us to bless us does more nudging of our thoughts that we realize and is most likely getting people out from under the fish hat wearers clap trap.

Jesus said there was only One unforgivable sin.. And that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. Since suicide is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit one cannot declare suicide to be an unforgivable sin..

Jesus said::

(Mark 3:28-29) "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:"

only God is wise enough and compassionate enough to judge this one.

Amen thank god we don’t judge each other sinners judging sinners guilty of sin doesn’t work for anyone the law proved that

“For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no one has to answer for what anyone else does but we do all have to answer for what we ourselves have done and said to and about others

It's good that other people posted on this thread. I really wasn't sure what to make of the topic itself before that. But I really can't imagine God turning someone away from Himself because that person was in so much emotional and mental anguish that they just couldn't bear to go on living and would rather be home with God.


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Those that murder themselves are NOT walking in faith... so, no faith means no grace!

As Eph 2:8 clearly states.... we are saved by grace THRU faith, so no faith mean one has no further access to grace.


I did not write any of the scripture that was posted... so you'll have to argue with the Lord about why He considers murder to be a sin.


So it's all good if we get tired of this life and blow our brains out?

The Lord suddenly ignores His own Word and becomes a liar???

Anyone who has a broken heart and does not submit to the Lord and get fixed, has made a very grave error as this is rejecting the Lord.


That's God's business... meanwhile it's false doctrine to go around telling people that a Christian can murder themselves and still go to Heaven.

As a matter of doctrine, those that murder themselves do not inherit God's Kingdom based on what the Lord has already said in His Word.

If we tell people that one can kill themselves and go be with Jesus... then let's pass the pistol around at church so everyone can whack themselves and go on home to be with the Lord!

Suici9de is either a blessing from the Lord or a deception from the devil to separate people from God... which is it?



Yeah, claiming one can murder themselves and still go to Heaven is definitely being a cherry picker and rejecting scripture that does not fit in to one's preconceived ideas.


Fictional stories are meaningless against God's Word.


It' listening to the devil is what it is... in my younger years 'ol slwefoot tried very hard to get me to off myself after I had become a Christian.

The fix was found in doing what Jesus said....

Mark 16:17
these signs shall follow them that believe; In MY Name shall they cast out devils

It comes down to who are we going to listen to and follow? Jesus or satan?




I know all about it.... you should go back and study how God cannot lie!


Any sin where one does not confess and turn away from... it still applicable to the person doing the sin.

1 John 1:9 clearly says IF you confess your sins the Lord will cleans you of all unrighteousness.

If one does not, then they are not cleansed from unrighteousness and if they die in that condition it's... curtains.


Yews, and God has already spoken concerning this subject.

It's sad that some seem to think the Lord is a liar and will ignore His own Word and can be mocked by claiming we do not reap what we sow (Gal 6:"7,8).



You must believe in universalism then... anybody that is deceived by the devil in to turning away from the Lord is saved?

The problem here is some are allowing their emotions and feelings to tell them what to believe rather than what the Lord has already said in His Word.

In other words, let's throw what God said in the trash just because we don't "feel" like His Word is in fact Truth that does not change!

That's exactly how the devil is hoping people will do right there... as this causes God's Word to be choked out of their lives so they turn away from the Lord which is sowing to the flesh which is reaping corruption... which is unrighteousness

Gal 6:7,8 tells us it is mocking God to claim we do not reap what we sow... as God cannot be mocked.