Israel Declares War

Okay then who's land do you think it is?

Two things can be true. Israel could want to rid their country of Palestinians and it's also true that they choose not to. I can want to eat an entire chocolate cake, but choose not to because I'm trying to limit my caloric intake, right?

Just my opinion based on writings of Israel's prime ministers and pro-Zionist leaders, secular Jews WOULD rid themselves of the Palestinians from their land if it wasn't for the world watching. They know the world would disapprove. They are choosing a lesser extreme though. They took a page from British apartheid on South Africa in hopes to Palestinians freely leave on their own so that they aren't viewed as the bad guys.

Before anyone claims I'm an anti-Semite, I can show you videos of Ultra Orthodox Rabbis who say this.

You might be correct. I will raise my hand and admit I'm ignorant of what Islam (non-extremists) teach from their Koran. Every time I've asked an American Muslim about it, they say only a small group of extremist think like that. Perhaps one day I'll stop being lazy and find out for myself.

Yup, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't Britain and France straight up lie to the Palestinians to help them overthrow the Ottoman empire? They promised them a Palestinian state... Britain and France divided up their colonies and Britain took country of Palestine/Israel. Then when it came time for the British to pay the Piper, they complete give a big "FU" to the Palestinians and hand the keys to the Jews.

I will say no one in my entire family was taught this in school. Makes you wonder why...

Yet Israel has allowed Arabs to live and work within Israel fro decades. So that is not entirely true. As a matter of fact Israel was prepared to accept a peaceful settlement many times, but the Palestinian leaders do not want peace or prosperity for their own people. Right now they are telling them not to vacate Gaza so that they become cannon fodder and the world begins to sympathize with the terrorists. This is pure wickedness.

Yes sir. Sorry, was reading the post in order and glad you mentioned this.

I mean, in 1994 a Jewish extremist assassinated the Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in an attempt to destroy discussions of the Oslo Accords (an agreement to discuss a two-state solution). We can continue to ONLY point out the bad stuff from the Palestinian side, or we can provide a more complete version of events that took place. It is true there have been many opportunities for both sides to come together, but no one has the right to blame everything on one side.

Am I a weirdo here... the mainstream media AND the conservatives are singing the same tune on this and making it all Palestinians faults. No one else gets scared when the media, the liberals, and the conservatives are all on the same page? I get PTSD from it. lol

Here is a direct quotation from the Koran/Quran: The punishment for those who fight Allah and His Messenger, and strive to spread corruption on earth, is that they be killed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be banished from the land. That is to disgrace them in this life; and in the Hereafter they will have a terrible punishment. Sura 5, verse 33. This is exactly what ISIS was doing. Allah's messenger is none other than Mohammad.

And who are those who "fight Allah"? Christians and Jews. So this verse connects directly to these verses in the same Sura: 17. They disbelieve those who say, “Allah is the Christ, the son of Mary.” Say, “Who can prevent Allah, if He willed, from annihilating the Christ son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?” To Allah belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. He creates whatever He wills, and Allah has power over everything.
18. The Jews and the Christians say, “We are the children of Allah, and His beloved.” Say, “Why then does He punish you for your sins?” In fact, you are humans from among those He created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them, and to Him is the return.

No. The blame is entirely on the side which wants to annihilate all the Jews. No group of people has the right to exterminate another group.

Sorry, I think you're sadly misinformed. There are certain conditions that must be met by a state before they are guilty of apartheid. I would look into that. I may even start a thread about it because there are some misinformed people who refuse to believe that Israel is an apartheid state.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx <= verses of violence

We are not talking about what moderates reject, but what is actually promoted in their texts.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

^ List of Killings in the Name of Islam: Last 30 Days

That list is kept current.

Hamas and other terrorist groups could hardly be called moderate, at any rate.

Hamas has fired rockets and mortars into Israel since the group took over the Gaza Strip in the mid 2000s.

Two things can be true. Hamas wants to annihilate all Jews. Nevertheless, Jews have had their own crimes acts of terrorism and stopped talks of a two-state solution... Which is what you were talking about.

@ThereRoseaLamb I just wanted to give you a really small outline. There are extensive acts that Israel is guilty of that qualify them as an apartheid state.

Apartheid Convention and Rome Statute (Three elements must occur in order for a state to be guilty of apartheid.)

1.) An intent by one group to dominate another.
A.) Inhumane Forcible transfer
B.) Ethnic cleansing done in 1948 known as "Nakba"
C.) Granting the right to vote only Palestinians who lived on the borders from 1948 to 1967
D.) Limiting the ability of the Palestinians in the occupied terriroties to move to Israel.
2.) Systematic oppression by one racial group over another. All the points from #1 and #3 can be used here. I don't think even you know they are guilty of this one too.
3.) One or more inhumane acts, as defined, carried out on a widespread systematic basis pursuit to those policies.
A.) Inhumane Acts spelled out: Forcible transfer, expropriation of landed property, create of separate reserves and ghettos, the right to leave and to return to their country, and the right to a nationality.
B.) Crime Against Humanity (as defined by Rome Statute): "The intentional and severe deprivation of fundamental rights contrary to international law by reason of the identity of the group or collectivity including on racial, national, or ethnic grounds"

Did the covenant have conditions for the Jewish people to inherit the land? Or did God promise to give it to them regardless of their obedience to His laws and decrees?

Is it your belief that circumcision isn't a condition as well? Recall Gen 15.

I don't subscribe that all Abrahamic covenants are unconditional, nor do many Jewish Rabbis I've listened to. I understand WHY people come to that conclusion though. I just don't subscribe. As it pertains to the land of Canaan (Israel), I do think God will honor his covenant to the Jewish people. I just don't think He's ever done it yet as they haven't followed all His decrees commandments yet.

Sigh... I am questioning my belief that the Abrahamic covenants haven't all been fulfilled. Thanks for giving me more homework. I think there is a case that it has been fulfilled. Does anyone have some scripture for me to shorten my homework?

Ask Him and he will show you great and wonderful things you do not know.

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