Israel Declares War

So label them "domestic terrorists" and then try to deprogam them. The Left has it all figured out. If they could incarcerate half the American population they would achieve their goal of a totalitarian police state.

Getting back to what has happened in Israel, there was definitely some kind failure (or disloyalty) within the Israeli government and intelligence community. Will we ever know the truth? Not likely. Will America stand with Israel? Not very likely either (in spite of the smoke and mirrors). But the UK government has ordered all its government buildings to fly the Israeli flag in support of Israel. Yet they were also supporting the foolish war effort of Ukraine foolishly. Ukraine has no national significance to the UK.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

I didn't say anything about terrorism. Eye for an eye. What they have done to innocent civilians, if this is allowed to pass, they will do it again. Answering terrorism is not terrorism. America has done it for years. It's the only thing they will understand.

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Murdering civilians to win a war (or for any political reason) is terrorism. Or a war crime punishable by death, if you believe the word "terrorist" is too often misused. Just because an enemy murders civilians doesn't give anyone else the right to murder more civilians. Everyone who does so becomes a terrorist or a war criminal, deserving of capital punishment, irrespective of which civilians they murder or which flag they're waving whilst they commit the murders.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Israel may have done it?!! There are eye witnesses! There are news people everywhere. They had a music festival and people were fleeing for their lives! They have women, children, the elderly captive. The liberal news loves the Arabs, even now they are trying to move away from Israel and say they should have restraint.

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Let's go back to 9/11 (11/09/2001), when the US government was complicit in terrorist attacks against its own people on it's own soil, for the benefit of a criminal element in the government [DS] that wanted war in Afghanistan and Iraq and beyond. This is Israel's 9/11 - no different. A criminal/treasonous element in the Israeli government stood down the normal protections and was complicit (or worse) in allowing an attack against their own people to further a political agenda, which likely includes war in Iran. It's not rocket science. Just ask who profits, and it's not a bunch of savages existing in the desert and getting bombed and threatened with annihilation.

As the word of God says it will Yet God's wrath will be poured out. The Temple they build will not House the Spirit of the Lord as it did before.

LOl First off, Terrorism is the strategic use of fear to paralyze your enemy from doing what they should do to not fight. a Terrorist is one who uses fear to create political outcomes or objectives.


War in its purest form is evil, and women and children will be killed. As it has happened in every war since the fall of man. Sin produces war. Those savages in the desert used box cutters and fear to bring down two towers and kill almost 3,000 people in one day. Not bad for sheep herders, would you think?

Come on, how can we debate when you can't even get the facts right? It was 3 buildings in one day. Funny how that third one collapsed, eh? If you looked into it, you'd find it was actually funny how all of them collapsed into their own footprints - exactly like they would were they controlled demolitions. What are the odds of that?

But the collapse of the third building should tell you that something is wrong with the government conspiracy theory, as there were only two planes - if you hadn't already figured out that something was wrong about aircraft penetrating through steel buildings.

So Hiroshima, that was Americans being terrorists.



Nope, I don't believe that kind of nonsense, not for a minute.


No proof of that either. Hamas are terrorists and have been for years. They hate every Jew with a satanic hate and want them wiped off the map. There were times in the Bible when God said go in and flatten the place because they would not listen, they would not live in peace. Palestinians are just Arabs that were politically created to be a constant thorn in Israels side and kill as many Jews as possible.

The atrocities that have been done demands punishment. Killing children in front of parents. Raping women beside their dead husbands. One young teen hid under the dead bodies of his parents. Women, children and elderly were carted off as hostages, the youngest a 9 month old baby!! This isn't against military, this is against innocent human beings!! It is inhuman! And it needs to be met with a force the world will not forget! You cannot allow this to go unpunished.

The most important priority for the IDF is to secure Israel from attack. But the most important priority for those of us not in any way responsible for doing that is to understand what the failure was that led to this attack. I think it is fair to say there was a "failure" there, but it is not reasonable to say that it was an intelligence failure. We don't know that yet.

Jumping to conclusions is very harmful. We did that when JFK was assassinated, and we did that after 9/11.

Some compare this to 9/11 but I think Pearl Harbor is a better example without more evidence. Pearl Harbor was carried out fully by the Japanese, the issue is that there was very clearly a intelligence failure and a blunder by the radar crew, without which the attack would not have been a success. Why those errors and blunders were made has not been sufficiently resolved and it is important because Pearl Harbor galvanized the country to go to war in WWII, had those blunders not been made it is very likely we would not have gone to war and Japan would never have succeeded in their "surprise attack". At this point it seems this is what this attack from Hamas is doing.

9/11 was different. It seems incredible that a few guys with boxcutters could have accomplished what they did without inside help. There is plenty of evidence, perhaps overwhelming evidence that they did not accomplish it without inside help. That includes the investigation of what happened and the destruction of the evidence. At this point it is offensive to me to liken this to 9/11 unless you have clear evidence of this being an "inside job".

However, what is similar is that 9/11, like Pearl Harbor and like this attack by Hamas has worked like a charm to manipulate the entire population to support war with Hamas (or Japan or Islamic terrorists) and to reject any kind of compromise.

It would be easy to prove one way or the other, all we need is the steel. Sadly the military put all the steel under guard and would not let the ATF examine the steel and then even more sadly they shipped it off to China to be melted down.

According to this Egypt warned them a week ago that Hamas would attack them and they ignored it. If true, something is going on.....

Do you believe in miracles?

Even more incredible those three towers brought down by two planes were the only three steel framed towers to ever collapse due to fire! Imagine coming up with a plan with so little chance of success! Even more amazing is that the fire from jet fuel usually would only last for about fifteen minutes or so, and yet, just like the miracle of Hanukkah, the fire at ground zero burned for 100 days and it burned at 2,000 degrees F, another miracle. So many miracles.

Yes, so has Paris flown the flag, where the he double toothpicks is Biden?? Can't someone rouse that old fart and make him pretend to get a dang?! Funny, when Trump got into office that old bitty Pelosi was all upset that he might push the "red button". Now this old fart has us in a proxy war with Russia, lit the ME on fire, has China threatening and ready to throw down and everyone was yapping about Trump! In one fell swoop Biden has set the world on fire and made America a dumpster fire.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

So Hiroshima, that was Americans being terrorists.

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I guess it depends on your definition of terrorist. But if you hold 11/09/2001 to be the date of a terrorist attack, then you can't consistently argue that Hiroshima was not. What was the legitimate military target in Hiroshima that required such a big bomb?

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Nope, I don't believe that kind of nonsense, not for a minute.

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And this here is the problem. Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. Enjoy. (Sadly, those who do the learn the lessons of history are doomed to watch while others who refuse to learn repeat it).

ThereRoseaLamb said:

No proof of that either. Hamas are terrorists and have been for years. They hate every Jew with a satanic hate and want them wiped off the map. There were times in the Bible when God said go in and flatten the place because they would not listen, they would not live in peace. Palestinians are just Arabs that were politically created to be a constant thorn in Israels side and kill as many Jews as possible.

The atrocities that have been done demands punishment. Killing children in front of parents. Raping women beside their dead husbands. One young teen hid under the dead bodies of his parents. Women, children and elderly were carted off as hostages, the youngest a 9 month old baby!! This isn't against military, this is against innocent human beings!! It is inhuman! And it needs to be met with a force the world will not forget! You cannot allow this to go unpunished.

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Murdering civilians isn't punishing anyone. It's sending a lesson to all - especially the families of those murdered - that terrorism is okay.

Some Biblical context to Gaza. Bottom line. Isarel failed for several reasons to ever fully conquer that land. It was given to Judah.

From Got Questions:

The Bible associates Gaza mainly with the Philistines. God had given the city to Judah, but the Israelites had failed to obey God in driving out the former occupants of Canaan (Numbers 33:51–53). Because of that disobedience, the Philistines and the city of Gaza remained a thorn in Israel’s side for centuries (see Judges 2:3).

Gaza, also called Azzah, is first mentioned in Genesis as one of the border cities of Canaan (Genesis 10:15–19). The city was on the border of Israel and Egypt in the southwest part of Israel near the Mediterranean Sea. Gaza is one of the oldest cities in history. The name Gaza means “strong,” which is a fitting name considering the city’s strongholds and fortifications for protection.

Gaza was a city associated with the Philistines. Originally, the Avvites lived in Gaza, but the Caphtorites displaced them and settled in the city (Deuteronomy 2:23). The Philistines were most likely identical or related to the Caphtorites, who came from Crete. The ancient Philistines had traveled to Canaan from a coastal region (Jeremiah 47:4), so it’s quite possible that they originally came from Crete.

In the time of Joshua, the Israelites conquered the land “from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza and from the whole region of Goshen to Gibeon” (Joshua 10:41). The tribe of Judah inherited Gaza, and they were able to keep the city for a short time before it fell back into the hands of the Philistines (Judges 1:18). By the time of Samson’s judgeship, the Philistines were living in and controlling Gaza (Judges 16:1). When Samson visited Gaza, the people there planned to kill him, but he escaped and carried off the city gates (Judges 16:1–3). After Delilah tricked Samson into divulging the secret of his strength, the Philistines captured him and took him to a prison in Gaza (Judges 16:21). Later, Samson regained his strength from the Lord and pushed down the pillars of Dagon’s temple, destroying the edifice and killing many Philistines in the process (Judges 16:23–30).

The Philistines continued to control Gaza during the time of Samuel (see 1 Samuel 6:17). King Hezekiah won great victories over the Philistines, “as far as Gaza and its territory,” but did not conquer Gaza itself (2 Kings 18:8).

Gaza was a city associated with judgment. Jeremiah, Amos, Zephaniah, and Zechariah all prophesied judgment on Gaza because of the sin of the Philistines. Amos 1:6–7 records God’s judgment on Gaza: “For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they carried into exile a whole people to deliver them up to Edom. So I will send a fire upon the wall of Gaza, and it shall devour her strongholds” (ESV). Likewise, Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah prophesied of Gaza’s destruction (Jeremiah 25:17–20; Zephaniah 2:4; Zechariah 9:5). King Sargon of Assyria conquered Gaza and probably destroyed it in 720 BC. Later, Alexander the Great destroyed the city again in 332 BC, after a lengthy battle. During the Maccabean period, Jonathan subjugated Gaza to Israel.

Gaza was a city associated with the spread of the gospel. The New Testament mentions Gaza once. An angel told Philip the evangelist to “go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza” (Acts 8:26). On the road to Gaza, Philip shared the gospel with an Ethiopian eunuch and subsequently baptized him (Acts 8:26–39). A city once filled with hostility toward the Lord served as a marking point for an Ethiopian to hear of and trust in the grace of God.

Obviously something is going on, Israel is using this attack to justify completely eliminating Hamas from Gaza. So whether or not they looked the other way, facilitated it or were simply negligent, it is working out for Netanyahu to unify the country in the need to eliminate Hamas.

It is true, Ruby. Israel has (arguably) one of the best intelligence agencies in the world (so they would have known themselves). However, they were also warned of the incoming attack by multiple intelligence agencies around the world. The leadership in Israel deliberately ignored all the warnings (i.e. cut off communications to allow plausible deniability) and ordered the military to stand down and allow the attacks to happen. It's the same playbook as 9/11.

Lol why would Netanyahu support terrorists? Why would he want his own people terrorized? It's not like he doesn't know what they do and are capable of. He's sounded the alarm every time he has gotten a chance, why would he now throw his own people to the wolves? And knowing that he could be discovered and surely put to death for it. All to keep his place in gov't? How long has he been in office? Has there ever been a time when he seemed inhuman, unbalanced, a traitor to his country? His own brother died in service to the country.

Hamas should have been eliminated years ago!! But every time the bleeding heart liberals would kick up a fuss. No, wipe 'em off the map. Be done with it already.

Because when people are scared, they are easy to control. When people are enraged, they are looking for blood. Look how you, a Christian, have posted trying to justify the killing of innocent (Palestinian) civilians. Imagine how much more powerful that affect would be if the dead/wounded were your countrymen. Netanyahu absolutely has a very strong motive for such a false flag attack - he wants to stay in power, and he wants to go to war.

This is the key point to me concerning Hiroshima. Japan started the war and these two bombs saved American lives. Those are the two justifications. But dropping a nuclear bomb on a non military target is now a valid response for anyone who responds to an attack from the US. If we bomb Iran's oil refineries for example, then they would be justified in nuking US cities. As you have done it will be done to you, that is righteous judgment.

The only reason countries abide by various rules of war is because they know if they don't others will do the same thing to them. We don't want our prisoners tortured so we don't torture prisoners, at least we said we wouldn't. We don't want to breath chemical weapons so we agreed to not use them, etc.