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Law stood outside us to condemn the evil in us, the Spirit conforms us to God's will, working in us, so the Law outside can also agree with us.

I agree. It is nice to talk with someone that really knows the Biblical definition of the New Covenant. As it points to the heart of the matter. If the law was removed, and held on perpuse in our lives, why wirte it in our hearts and mins? I know that was a question you have already answered. LOL

Law stood outside us to condemn the evil in us, the Spirit conforms us to God's will, working in us, so the Law outside can also agree with us.

As it should. After all once we openly except Yahovah we begin to change. Our minds, seek to do right by our Kings commandments.
Although I see small litter details we may differ on, and that has given me food for thought. When it comes to the big pitcher I think we are in agreement. Well mostly any way.
That said, would you be willing to look at Dan.9:27 with me? I know for sure I am lacking in my understanding of prophecy, although I do hold a view that may will not agree with. That tells me I need to look harder at what I may be missing. So once more I must look past what I think I know.

As it should. After all once we openly except Yahovah we begin to change. Our minds, seek to do right by our Kings commandments.
Although I see small litter details we may differ on, and that has given me food for thought. When it comes to the big pitcher I think we are in agreement. Well mostly any way.
That said, would you be willing to look at Dan.9:27 with me? I know for sure I am lacking in my understanding of prophecy, although I do hold a view that may will not agree with. That tells me I need to look harder at what I may be missing. So once more I must look past what I think I know.

This is called a non sequitur. Sin existed before the Law, sin existed during the Law, and sin also exists under the New Covenant. And the reason humans sin is because of the indwelling sin nature ("the flesh") inherited from Adam (Rom 5:12). The Law had many aspects, not just showing us that the whole world is guilty before God, therefore the Law would drive us to Christ. But people seem to ignore the whole picture.

Please tell me you will bring your difficulties to God--in understanding Scripture, in your life, etc.

I pray for understanding, wisdom, and patients always.
as for if I think we are under the law, in the way Paul seems to use it, no I do not. I do however believe we will be judged by the laws Yahovah has given us. He is after unchanging. Mal.3:6 and Heb. 13:8 both comferm this. To remove the Law would mean He has to change.

I pray for understanding, wisdom, and patients always.
as for if I think we are under the law, in the way Paul seems to use it, no I do not. I do however believe we will be judged by the laws Yahovah has given us. He is after unchanging. Mal.3:6 and Heb. 13:8 both comferm this. To remove the Law would mean He has to change.

No argument from me. From the start the Law was to point us to Yahovah, and show us the full plan of salvation. In doing so, it is the mark by which all things are judged.

If as you say the Law doesn't apply to us, Why is it that we can still sin? After all what is sin? Please see Rom. 5:13, 1John 3:4, and Rev.14:12

If the law was removed, and held on perpuse in our lives, why wirte it in our hearts and mins?

I believe a major part of it is represented in this saying:

"Most people don't really want the Truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the Truth." (Author Unknown)

I came so close to posting something that I may have regretted later down the road. The following is a revised version of that post.
I came to this forum seeking answers. I found out so much about today's religion that explains a lot.
First I found that it seems we have a following of church doctrine over the True Word. As has been made clear in almost every thread I opened. As if your church doctrine holds more truth.
Second, it seems that being a true follower of the True Word, must be shunned at all cost.
The True Word is clear on this, and the words made me ask. Do I truly know? Or am I following what tickles the ear? 2Tim. 4:3-4
Not an exact quote mind you. However it does convey the same idea, and understanding.
As not many people on here has the spirit of worrier as the Word is clear we are called to be, or has the fortitude to even try, I feel for you all. You will be in my prayers in hopes that HaShem, or Yahovah will find a way to lead you to truth. His Truth.
Yeshua when he called out the Pharisees may well have been speaking to religious leaders of today. Again not an exact quote. What he said not an easy thing to swallow.
He called the sons of Satan, hypocrites, teaching man's doctrine as if it was HaShems own. Mat.15:7-9
What so many on here wish to do is push away any that see things in a different light. Wishing to persent themselves as knowing more than they really do. Yet when pressed on a topic, they say they know so well, can't or won't even try to make the other see how they are wrong. It's kind of like telling some one they were speeding, when they were doing 35 in a 40mile an hour zone. You say it, yet when asked your only reply is, Because I said so. Ok not in those words, yet by not engaging on a topic you brought forth, you may as well say it that way.
So now I ask you, if you wish to be the teacher you are in your own mind, why hide from it?
Rather than turn to name calling, belittlement, or be dismissive, why not engage? It gives you the chance to teach, and learn. Yet on here it as though the one that stands a lone prevails simply by asking how your teaching is in context with the Whole of the Word. As for myself, I welcome any challenge to my understanding. As it opens the door to seeing how I may be wrong. That in turns makes me a better teacher, and student.
What it doesn't do is show how right I am. You see once we take on the thinking of ME, MY CHURCH, and so on, we leave the True Word behind in favor of my thoughts, my church, and so on.
As true followers, we should have a hunger to learn, and a thirst for truth. Though for many the quest for understanding stops at the door of their church. They don't study the word, and many don't read it at all. Oh they have it with them, and may even open it when the pastor gives a passage. Then they just blindly follow what ever is told to them.
Once more, in closing, I came here to learn more than I think I know. I came to seek truth. Something that is not forthcoming in a place that one would think it should be. If one follows what the Word truly says, they are called names, belittled, and so on. Yet nothing of substance is ever offered up.
I have seen people say they know the Word, and have mesmerized most of the Bible, or N.T. That's all good, if you have a true understanding of it. Yet is made pointless if you know it, and don't follow it. So will someone please explain to me, why do say you hold more understanding, yet are so unwilling to debate most topics, when you see something wrong with a teaching or understanding?

I pray for understanding, wisdom, and patients always.
as for if I think we are under the law, in the way Paul seems to use it, no I do not. I do however believe we will be judged by the laws Yahovah has given us. He is after unchanging. Mal.3:6 and Heb. 13:8 both comferm this. To remove the Law would mean He has to change.

however even after doing a word study, one may still miss understand how it all fits. As for the language used to write the N.T. the oldest available text is mostly in Hebrew.

I mean, "It says here, 'have no other gods...', etc, and Torah defines good and evil, and Jesus followed the Law, and said He didn't come to do away with the Law, but to fulfill It, so why wouldn't I use the Torah as a guide to how I live in righteousness before God?"

maybe because of what Paul’s explaining about it here but those who trusted in Moses words couldn’t accept it

“Seeing then that we ( apostles ) have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There’s no reason to try to know God through this veil anymore

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The seed came lol now we don’t need a list of laws for people without the holy spirit webhave the New Testament true and clear not veiled word of God that if of faith why would we want to join this group after being redeemed ?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-

if your guided by Moses judgements your going to reject Jesus words because they are contrary

moses says for instance “ if you get married and find later your wife isn’t pleasing you or you find some reason divorce her she can remarry so can you

jesus teaches no dont do that Moses taught you that because your hearts were hard but I tell you this other thing that’s opposite …..

He spent his ministry doing this often

Moses said this

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a toothequal retaliation for an offense )

but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”( forgivness and mercy towards an offense without retaliation )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law was and is for this group of folks who have rejected the gospel and haven’t received the holy ghost

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to our trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You tell thieves who won’t stop “ thou shalt not steal of anyone steals the others among you must hold to account and ex creat justice “ this isnt Christianity even though it’s in the book of Moses law given to Israel many things Moses commands Jesus says would be wrong and teaches us not to do those things

Some examples are marriage and divorce , how to treat other sinners who offend you , what to eat whether or. Ot to swear an oath to God , how to treat enemies…..

not to mention all the sacrificial commands and details everything regarding the priesthood of the leviticle order and Aaron the sabbath days and new moon days and festivals the ceremonial busk washings ect ect Passover feast instructions all those things also became irrelevant because Jesus fulfilled those patterns in the gospel that’s all the Torah was a shadow and pattern of what Jesus would later accomplish and set forth

is the Torah “ wrong “ no not at all , it had a purpose that lead the world to the messiah and need for his atonement and teaching them the truth

We have Jesus now Moses foretold when he would come and speak gods eternal words in the law itself Moses serves Jesus and is his witness not the other way around

So will someone please explain to me, why do say you hold more understanding, yet are so unwilling to debate most topics, when you see something wrong with a teaching or understanding?

they don't want to be challenged.
in reality, they, might actually be adopting bits and pieces from what is originally presented, they claim, to disagree with.
maybe, they're secretly hoping, you expand the meaning, to what you are seeing so they know for certain.

Thank you.. This is a very rare experience for me online.. Hard to know how to react.. thank you..