"Is There More Than one Gospel?...

Clayman · Sep 29, 2023

Yet the OT saint trusted in God and that He would provide, Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son. "

"So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided"

The Sacrificial system of Israel all pointed to the alter/cross/tree of life

then we agree

Exactly and anathema for there is no other way.

Paul explains to us in Rom 4 that says “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness” in other words faith payed its way forward, if you go to work and make 200 dollars a day, you are credited the amount owing until payday, and guess what Abraham looked forward to payday. Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

To me you are saying we have received our fortnightly payment which means the work(faith in God) that is credited to Abraham is different to ours, I say it is the same. It is believing and trusting in Gods Word that shows whether we are covered by Christs righteousness or not.

And of course if one believes in God and trusts in His Word, he will readily accept Jesus the living Word, the Pharisees were caught out in the fact that they declared to follow the prophets yet contradicted this by rejecting Christ which proved they did not have faith or believe in God with genuineness. Everyone in some sense believes in God even demons we are sorted into two groups by whether we follow His Word in our Hearts or reject His Word(Him)

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me believes not in Me except in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.

romans113336 · Sep 29, 2023

John146 said:

Yep, Paul said the Gospel was hidden in ages past.
Also, Christ's very own Apostles didn't understand He had to die and be raised.
How could anyone have "trusted in the Cross" then?
It's just nonsense.

GRACE_ambassador · Sep 29, 2023

op: More than 'one' gospel?
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Since most already agree / believe God's Gospel Of Grace for us, today:

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also

received, how that Christ died for our sins according to

The Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He

rose again the third day according to The Scriptures"

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

Is this the Only 'one' for all ages?:

1) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to Cain and Abel?:

"bring the correct offering / be respected/accepted By God?

(Genesis 4:3-7)

2) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to Abram?:

"thy seed shall be as the stars" (Genesis 15:4-6)?

3) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to "the lost sheep"?:

Conclusion:

God's ( earthly ) Context of prophecy / Covenants / Law

"made known since the foundation of the world":

gospel of the kingdom to twelve apostles for lost sheep of
the house of Israel, with "water baptism For the remission of sins"

(Matthew - John - Acts 8 'Israel fell!')

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God Changed Dispensations [ Law Over To Grace }!:

In His Other ( Heavenly ) Context of Mystery / Grace =

"kept Secret from the foundation of the world":

Gospel of The Grace of God To One apostle, Paul, for lost Jews
and Gentiles { Equal! }, with "No works For The Forgiveness of sins",
But With One Baptism By The One Spirit Into The One Body Of Christ

(Acts 9 - Romans - Philemon)

Thus: Yes, I do "see" more than 'one' gospel In All of Scripture, but:

Only One Gospel ( Of Grace ), for us, Today!:

Paul:

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also

received, how that Christ died for our sins according to

The Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He

rose again the third day according to The Scriptures"

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

+

To bring in any gospel from "other ages"?:

"If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that

ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:6-9),

Correct?

Precious friend, believest thou this?

In addition, we also now know that The Precious BLOOD Of The Wonderful
Saviour Is 'The Basis of Payment / Covering / Forgiveness' Of the sins all of
God's elect, who place 'faith' In Him, and His Word [ of 'good news' ] Given
Specifically 'To them' no matter which Dispensation they lived / live / or,
will, live in. Is this then What God Gave Paul, to 'make known' to us, As:

"The Mystery Of The Gospel" (Ephesians 6:19)?

Amen.
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The following is probably a much more concise and easier study than I
could ever humbly present to others in my bumbling/stumbling ways, eh?

"...The Gospel of the Kingdom is simply God’s good news about His kingdom,
a kingdom that was (and is) to be established on earth with Christ as king
(Jer. 23:5-6; Isa. 2:2-4; 11:1-9). It was prophesied by Israel’s prophets in
the Old Testament and proclaimed “at hand” in the New Testament..."

[ Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}: ]

...The Gospel of the Grace of God is God’s Good News About His Grace Reigning
like a king on the throne (Rom. 5:20-21). It was a new Revelation that came to
Paul, the apostle, directly from The Resurrected Christ In Heaven
(Gal. 1:11-12; 2:2; Acts 20:24)..." (K Lawson):

Full study:
Is There More Than one Gospel? (12 Distinctive Scriptural Points)

Please Be Encouraged and Edified In The Lord Jesus Christ,

and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided.

turbosixx · Sep 29, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

op: More than 'one' gospel?
--------------------------------------
Since most already agree / believe God's Gospel Of Grace for us, today:

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also

received, how that Christ died for our sins according to

The Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He

rose again the third day according to The Scriptures"

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

Is this the Only 'one' for all ages?:

1) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to Cain and Abel?:

"bring the correct offering / be respected/accepted By God?

(Genesis 4:3-7)

2) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to Abram?:

"thy seed shall be as the stars" (Genesis 15:4-6)?

3) Is it the same as the gospel (good news) to "the lost sheep"?:

Conclusion:

God's ( earthly ) Context of prophecy / Covenants / Law

"made known since the foundation of the world":

gospel of the kingdom to twelve apostles for lost sheep of
the house of Israel, with "water baptism For the remission of sins"

(Matthew - John - Acts 8 'Israel fell!')

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God Changed Dispensations [ Law Over To Grace }!:

In His Other ( Heavenly ) Context of Mystery / Grace =

"kept Secret from the foundation of the world":

Gospel of The Grace of God To One apostle, Paul, for lost Jews
and Gentiles { Equal! }, with "No works For The Forgiveness of sins",
But With One Baptism By The One Spirit Into The One Body Of Christ

(Acts 9 - Romans - Philemon)

Thus: Yes, I do "see" more than 'one' gospel In All of Scripture, but:

Only One Gospel ( Of Grace ), for us, Today!:

Paul:

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also

received, how that Christ died for our sins according to

The Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He

rose again the third day according to The Scriptures"

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

+

To bring in any gospel from "other ages"?:

"If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that

ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:6-9),

Correct?

Precious friend, believest thou this?

In addition, we also now know that The Precious BLOOD Of The Wonderful
Saviour Is 'The Basis of Payment / Covering / Forgiveness' Of the sins all of
God's elect, who place 'faith' In Him, and His Word [ of 'good news' ] Given
Specifically 'To them' no matter which Dispensation they lived / live / or,
will, live in. Is this then What God Gave Paul, to 'make known' to us, As:

"The Mystery Of The Gospel" (Ephesians 6:19)?

Amen.
-------------------------------------------------
The following is probably a much more concise and easier study than I
could ever humbly present to others in my bumbling/stumbling ways, eh?

"...The Gospel of the Kingdom is simply God’s good news about His kingdom,
a kingdom that was (and is) to be established on earth with Christ as king
(Jer. 23:5-6; Isa. 2:2-4; 11:1-9). It was prophesied by Israel’s prophets in
the Old Testament and proclaimed “at hand” in the New Testament..."

[ Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}: ]

...The Gospel of the Grace of God is God’s Good News About His Grace Reigning
like a king on the throne (Rom. 5:20-21). It was a new Revelation that came to
Paul, the apostle, directly from The Resurrected Christ In Heaven
(Gal. 1:11-12; 2:2; Acts 20:24)..." (K Lawson):

Full study:
Is There More Than one Gospel? (12 Distinctive Scriptural Points)

Please Be Encouraged and Edified In The Lord Jesus Christ,

and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided.

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Jesus sent out Paul to preach this "other" gospel, when did he first preach it to convert the sinner? Paul's letters are written to Christians who have already heard the gospel so as to be converted. We have the "gospel of the kingdom" recorded Acts 2, and we see people were converted. Could you please point out where this "other" gospel Paul preached to convert people is recorded?

GRACE_ambassador · Sep 29, 2023

turbosixx said:

Precious friend, respectfully I don't want to sound redundant, but I believe I
already answered this: '1 Corinthians 15:3-4'. In any event, it's ok, I do repeat
myself a lot, as I am Very s-l-o-w, and need all the study help I can get.

This Full study about this "other" Gospel Paul preached to convert people
might be helpful?:

When, How, Where And Why Did Paul Receive What?

Amen.

turbosixx · Sep 30, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

I'm sorry but you have not answered the question. After being sent, we see the 12 proclaim the gospel in Acts 2. We see the same thing with Paul. On Paul's first missionary journey to proclaim the gospel to the world, he does exactly that. God has given us the gospel that Paul received in Acts 13. Now after Acts 13, we know what Paul is preaching.

I have wonder why you refuse to point out this sermon by Paul?

GRACE_ambassador · Sep 30, 2023

turbosixx said:

Precious friend, no [ my slow ] problem.

turbosixx said:

GRACE_ambassador said:

I apologize - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 is where God Had "Paul Record" The
New and Different Gospel Of Grace," Correct?:

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you The Gospel which I preached

unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which

also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless

ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also Received, how that

Christ Died for our sins according to the Scriptures; And that He was

Buried, and that He Rose again the third day according to the Scriptures"

So, now if I understand your Unanswered important question correctly:

turbosixx said:

So you're asking me to identify Where, In Acts, "that it is recorded" that:

Paul first preached 'The New Gospel Of Grace' To the Corinthians?:

turbosixx said:

Thanks, this is excellent, pointing me to this, as I somehow missed this,
Luke recording where:

At "Antioch in Pisidia," (v 14) Paul preached: "This Word of Salvation" (v 26)

"And when they had fulfilled all that was written of Him, they took Him

[ Death ] down from the tree, and laid Him [ Burial ] in a sepulchre.

But God raised Him from the dead [ Resurrection ]: And he was seen

many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem,

who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you

Glad Tidings" [ "Good News Of The Gospel Of The Grace Of God!" ]

(Acts 13:29-32)

A Perfectly Harmonious 'match' for What God Had Paul Record In
1 Corinthians 15:3-4, eh?

So, now do we have to retrace our steps to 'Acts 2' and verify that this is?:

1) A 'match' to what "Peter preached" ( Exact Same Thing )?

or:

2) The Other New & Different Gospel (Glad Tidings) That God Gave To Paul?

I just love a good and enjoyable Bible study, don't you, precious friend?

Till next time, Take Care.

turbosixx · Oct 1, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

I love a good bible study as well. God's word is what we will be judged by on the last day. I want to know the truth, not the lies Satan is spreading. That's why I like to talk with others who do not agree with me. If I am off track, hopefully they will point out what I might not be seeing.

Yes, it would be wise to compare Acts 13 and Acts 2. I've compared them before and they're the same gospel. Which makes total sense and there is plenty of evidence to support they are the same.

For example, Jesus sent out the apostles to proclaim the gospel to everyone, it was not limited to the Jews like before when He sent them to proclaim the kingdom was at hand.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations
“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes

Magenta · Oct 1, 2023

John146 said:

John 8:56 King James Version
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

John146 · Oct 1, 2023

Magenta said:

But not the cross, big difference. It was hidden until after.

Cameron143 · Oct 1, 2023

John146 said:

He knew that God was going to give Himself as a lamb. And He knew in that promise it would spare life. He didn't need the details to understand its meaning.

TheDivineWatermark · Oct 2, 2023

Magenta said:

Where this verse ^ speaks of "My day," it is speaking of the [yet future] Millennial Kingdom age

(rather than speaking of Jesus' First Advent ministry and the Cross)

Hebrews 11:13 speaks to this also, where it states,

"These G3778 all G3956 [speaking specifically of those only in verses 8-12--Abraham(etc)] died G599 in G2596 [/according to - kata] faith, G4102 not G3361 having received G2983 the promises, G1860 but G235 having seen G1492 them G846 afar off, G4207 and G2532 were persuaded of G3982 them, and G2532 embraced G782 them, and G2532 confessed G3670 that G3754 they were G1526 strangers G3581 and G2532 pilgrims G3927 on G1909 the earth. G1093"

TheDivineWatermark · Oct 2, 2023

^ ETA (ran out of EDIT-time): [Matt8:11 and parallel also speak to this ^ ... where it says, "shall sit down with"... in "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" ... that is, in the earthly MK age (... "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...")]

Magenta · Oct 2, 2023

TheDivineWatermark said:

That's speculative at best.

John146 said:

That's speculative at best. Especially considering all Isaiah had to say.

That is still purposefully hidden (Isaiah 53 does not appear in synagogue calendar readings).

TheDivineWatermark · Oct 2, 2023

Magenta said:

Well, Luke 17:24 seems to agree to this same point (besides other passages I won't go into here), where it states,

"For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day."

(...which verse, I think we can agree, is describing things which have not yet occurred... not things which occurred back in the first century [i.e. His First Advent ministry and the Cross].)

Clayman · Oct 2, 2023

John146 said:

The ram in the thicket on Mount Moriah was also hidden until the due time, Yet Abe had faith that God would provide even though he could not yet see it.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 1:1

Clayman · Oct 2, 2023

Magenta said:

Abraham wasn't the only one looking forward to the Messiah, the prophets, kings and even the angels also.

1Pet 1:10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Luke 10:23 Then He turned privately to His disciples and said "blessed are the eyes which see the things you see; For I tell you that many prophets and Kings have desired to see what you see, and have not seen it, and to hear what you hear and have not heard it.

fredoheaven · Oct 2, 2023

Isn't Mary Magdalene who preached the gospel first about the Death, burial, and Ressurection just the very moment Christ was resurrected?

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

fredoheaven · Oct 2, 2023

Peter preached the same gospel of grace.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

John146 · Oct 2, 2023

fredoheaven said:

Isn't Mary Magdalene who preached the gospel first about the Death, burial, and Ressurection just the very moment Christ was resurrected?

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Mary may have proclaimed that Jesus resurrected, but we cannot assume that should understood the implications of the cross, that Jesus specifically died for the sins of man. She, like all the others, were still looking for Christ to fulfill God's covenant with Israel. Jesus is their King and will restore the kingdom of Israel.

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