We who are in Christ have been released from the Law.

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TMS

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If we transgress the Law we are freed by faith in the blood of Jesus.
If we obey the law by faith we are free from the sin, all glory to Christ.

But we need to die daily.
Continue to surrender to Christ.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No condemnation because we are in Jesus and walk after the Spirit.
I understand that I am to be married to Jesus and not to the law any longer if I ever have been.

What is imputed righteousness?

I know that sin is transgression of the law or that sin is lawlessness.

I know that I understand about Jesus.

Why do you say, "If we are not sinning we must be obeying the law."?
Imputed righteousness is justification
To have the righteousness of Christ transferred to us so we are seen as if we are 100% righteous. As if we have never sinned.
This comes by faith.

Paul talks about walking in the flesh and the Spirit, and there are many other ways it is worded in the NT, to say we are live a sinless life rather than a life of sin.

I just tried to highlight the fact that the law must still be valid and still stands as a moral code of right and wrong.
If we are sinning we are transgressing the law. If we are obeying the law we are not sinning.
Sin is present today so the law is present today.. but thank God for the Gospel
 

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God Gave the law. For a purpose.. that purpose was to prepair the people for when the savior would come, He called it a tutor, which was given to lead them to the messiah (christ)

The law condemned anyone who did not keep it

”cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey all the words (every jot and tittle) of this law”

As james said, if we even stumble in one point we are guilty of all.
the curse of the law was death, “cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree)
Jesus removed the curse by becoming a curse for us.

to no longer be under the law means the law can no longer condemn you.. the curse has been removed, which is required for everyone, because all have sinned and fall short..
 

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What does it mean that we who are in Christ have been released from the Law? What is the meaning of the sentence? And what is it's meaning for us?

Romans 7:1-6 NASB20 - Or do you not know, brothers [and sisters] (for I am speaking to those who know the Law), that the Law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is alive she gives herself to another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress if she gives herself to another man. Therefore, my brothers [and sisters,] you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were [brought to light] by the Law, were at work in the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

How have we died to that by which we were bound? What were we bound to and what have we died to?
None of that can be understood unless we have the inner life of Christ in our hearts. If Christ truly lives in us how will we break any of the commandments?
 

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1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
No argument, but the Gentiles were never given the Law, and are not bound to it. John likely is not referring to the Mosaic Law here.
 

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What does it mean that we who are in Christ have been released from the Law? What is the meaning of the sentence? And what is it's meaning for us?
It means we come humbly to Jesus just as we are, laying nothing but our own lives on the altar of sacrifice. We come by faith in Him and then we live by faith thereafter. We call this "walking in the Light" and "abiding in the Vine."

The Law required many elaborate rituals and it required that they be done often. Our only requirement is a penitent heart and willingness to repent and accept His grace on a daily basis. The Blood of Jesus has fulfilled all other requirements forever. We have been bought with a price. All may (and must) freely come today and partake of the living water of salvation.

Isaiah 55:1
“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.”
 

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Does that mean that after I'm baptised, I can steal your car, commit adultery, and the law no longer means anything.

If we confess our sins and repent.....this means the law still stands.... we can be freed by faith in Jesus.
By faith the law can not condemn me but by faith I want to obey the law of liberty.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
We are not without law but Gentiles have never been under the law of Moses.

Paul lived under the law of Moses and persecuted the church because he saw it contrary to the law of Moses but after becoming a Christian, he says he is not under the law (of Moses). He makes is clear here.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
 
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In this world under the authorities on earth a offender may indeed face the death penalty or face other penalties like big fines or prison sentences.. But all those penalties are as nothing compared to the eternal penalty of being cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.. That's what Jesus saves us from.. That eternal lake of fire.. So yeah if i end up murdering someone and i am executed, so be it.. I do not believe or think that Jesus should save me from the judgement of the worldly authorities.. I do however believe and think Jesus will save me from that eternal lake of fire.. That i will have eternity with Jesus as a perfected being in His perfect eternal existence..
I don't know what your end will be. I know that there is a lake of fire but I couldn't find where it says eternal or rather it does not say eternal where and when I looked. Certainly if you get your just due for murder that may be okay in your eyes. I do know that if you repent there might be life for you. It may depend on where you live. I don't know where you get eternity with Jesus as a perfected being in His perfect eternal existence.

Peace by the way.
 
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It means we come humbly to Jesus just as we are, laying nothing but our own lives on the altar of sacrifice. We come by faith in Him and then we live by faith thereafter. We call this "walking in the Light" and "abiding in the Vine."

The Law required many elaborate rituals and it required that they be done often. Our only requirement is a penitent heart and willingness to repent and accept His grace on a daily basis. The Blood of Jesus has fulfilled all other requirements forever. We have been bought with a price. All may (and must) freely come today and partake of the living water of salvation.

Isaiah 55:1
“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.”
I think that you are speaking a little bit poetically rather than facts. Peace to you. There were national sacrifices and personal sacrifices, but the personal weren't all for sin and the national weren't necessarily either.

Salvation is found in Jesus alone. You have that part right. By faith in God and Jesus you can have salvation by God's grace.
 

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I don't know what your end will be. I know that there is a lake of fire but I couldn't find where it says eternal or rather it does not say eternal where and when I looked.
Look again..

(Revelation 20:10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

AND

(Revelation 20:14-15) "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


Certainly if you get your just due for murder that may be okay in your eyes.
If i was to get my just due for my sins i would be destined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. irrespective of if i avoided jail time or some executioner on earth.. That's why the Atonement of the LORD Jesus is a true Gift.. One cannot pay for it with ones good deeds or any succesful sin avoidance.. Jesus paid the price in full by suffering that terrible torment and death on the cross..

I do know that if you repent there might be life for you.
When it comes to Jesus there is no ""might" or maybe's about it.. Jesus is not one to fail or lie,, He achieved the result and if i believe Him ( His words ) and trust in the Atonement i KNOW i am going to be with Him in eternity.. That's Trust,, that's Faith and it leads to assurance / confidence..

It may depend on where you live. I don't know where you get eternity with Jesus as a perfected being in His perfect eternal existence.
I will quote the book of Revelation again.. It seems that you either never read the Book of Revelation or you did read it and your mind was blocked in comprehending what it was telling you..

(Revelation 21:1-4) "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

If your living in an existence with no more death, suffering , crying or pain.. then your living for eternity in a perfect eternal existence..


Peace by the way.
I have it.. My wish is for you to have it as well..
 
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Look again..

(Revelation 20:10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

AND

(Revelation 20:14-15) "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."




If i was to get my just due for my sins i would be destined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. irrespective of if i avoided jail time or some executioner on earth.. That's why the Atonement of the LORD Jesus is a true Gift.. One cannot pay for it with ones good deeds or any succesful sin avoidance.. Jesus paid the price in full by suffering that terrible torment and death on the cross..



When it comes to Jesus there is no ""might" or maybe's about it.. Jesus is not one to fail or lie,, He achieved the result and if i believe Him ( His words ) and trust in the Atonement i KNOW i am going to be with Him in eternity.. That's Trust,, that's Faith and it leads to assurance / confidence..



I will quote the book of Revelation again.. It seems that you either never read the Book of Revelation or you did read it and your mind was blocked in comprehending what it was telling you..

(Revelation 21:1-4) "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

If your living in an existence with no more death, suffering , crying or pain.. then your living for eternity in a perfect eternal existence..




I have it.. My wish is for you to have it as well..
Thank you very much for your wish of peace. Well wishers. Or what not. I am not into that, but I have used the word wish before.

Thank you for your post, and I have taken it to heart. I hope that you will continue to be refined in the truth and peace by and in God and Jesus.
 

oyster67

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I think that you are speaking a little bit poetically rather than facts.
Not mutually exclusive things, my dear JacobMartinMertensJingleHeimerScmidt :giggle:.

There were national sacrifices and personal sacrifices, but the personal weren't all for sin and the national weren't necessarily either.
They were certainly all a result of sin.

Salvation is found in Jesus alone. You have that part right.
I know I do, but thanks anyways. ;)

By faith in God and Jesus you can have salvation by God's grace.
Yes, I can... and do.

Why... thank you very much!
And may the peace and Joy of the Lord be multiplied unto thee likewise. :)(y):coffee:

Nehemiah 8:10
“Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.”
 

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I like how the AMP says it "Therefore, my fellow believers, you too died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. "

its spiritual yet we all should know He wrote His word or call it law in our hearts :) To belong to another ..HELLO JESUS
 
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I like how the AMP says it "Therefore, my fellow believers, you too died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. "

its spiritual yet we all should know He wrote His word or call it law in our hearts :) To belong to another ..HELLO JESUS
I know that God gave the new covenant to Israel, or rather He made a new covenant with Israel. Are you an Israelite or do you believe that it is for you as well? I am a Gentile.
 

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I know that God gave the new covenant to Israel, or rather He made a new covenant with Israel.
Are you an Israelite or do you believe that it is for you as well? I am a Gentile.
Then how is the law written in/on your heart? You keep saying that was for Israel only (as per Jeremiah).

Plus you repeatedly keep ignoring the FACT that in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor gentile (Greek).


Galatians 3:23-25
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What does it mean that we who are in Christ have been released from the Law? What is the meaning of the sentence? And what is it's meaning for us?

Romans 7:1-6 NASB20 - Or do you not know, brothers [and sisters] (for I am speaking to those who know the Law), that the Law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is alive she gives herself to another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress if she gives herself to another man. Therefore, my brothers [and sisters,] you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were [brought to light] by the Law, were at work in the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

How have we died to that by which we were bound? What were we bound to and what have we died to?
“What does it mean that we who are in Christ have been released from the Law? What is the meaning of the sentence? And what is its meaning for us?

How have we died to that by which we were bound? What were we bound to and what have we died to?”

paul doesn’t communicate in single sentences but chapters what I mean is this question

“How have we died to that by which we were bound? What were we bound to and what have we died to?”


Is where Paul’s beginning in chapter 6 here what he’s saying later needs to know what he’s saying here

“God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ( believe ) ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:2-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As Paul continues he’s still building his n what he’s saying here where he starts talking about the concept of “ dying with Christ “ he goes on to explain more regarding this question regarding the law which defines and imputes sin

“What does it mean that we who are in Christ have been released from the Law? What is the meaning of the sentence? And what is its meaning for us?”

Know ye not, brethren, how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? ( when a sinner dies fornthier sins the law is fulfilled on them and ends it says nothing to a dead person )

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; ( remember where Paul began about baptism into his death crucified with him ect) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, ( before we got baptized and received the spirit ) the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; ( he just explained we died with Christ and this releases us from the law itself which defines sin and brings death to all sinners) that we should serve in newness of spirit,( john 6:63) and not in the oldness of the letter.”( Moses external written law )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is elaborating on very deep and significant doctrines and understanding of things like baptism for remission of sins , how Jesus death for our sins covers those who believe and are baptized into his name and body who died for our sins and was raised for our justification and life

We don’t come to God by him commanding us not to kill not to lie not to cheat ……we come to god by hearing the trhinfsbjesus had to say is the idea because he gave his life to save us we give ours to following him that is our lord and savior Jesus the Christ of Nazareth

reading Paul requires us to let what he’s saying be forever over chapters of his letters and those things always recur in other letters like baptism there and saving from the letter

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

airs easy to misunderstand and misrepresent Paul if we don’t look at what he’s actually saying over the king explainations he has written one sentance is just a part of a larger message explaining a concept about a biblical subject like for instance baptism and how this applies to us regarding death and life through Christ who lived and died and now lives forever for us
 
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Then how is the law written in/on your heart? You keep saying that was for Israel only (as per Jeremiah).

Plus you repeatedly keep ignoring the FACT that in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor gentile (Greek).


Galatians 3:23-25
:)
When I read between Matthew and Revelation about the Law I think the audience must be Jewish, Israel or Jews. Because the Law was given to Israel. Just like then the new covenant according to Jeremiah (God spoke through this prophet at the time that he did.).

A new covenant was coming. Or, God was making a new covenant with Israel. It is not that there is no Jew or Gentile (Greek). It is that there is no distinction between the two in Christ.

I don't know that the law is written on my heart. Jeremiah said it would be God's instruction (the hebrew word torah) but he said that the new covenant would not be like the previous covenant, what is called the old covenant.

Does that clear up my view any?
 

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And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Colossians 2:11

Colossians 2:13-14
:)
 

Magenta

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When I read between Matthew and Revelation about the Law I think the audience must be Jewish, Israel or Jews.
The audience is mixed, but the New Testament is primarily written for/to Christians, the first of whom had originally been Jewish.

Why do you not call Matthew to Revelation the New Testament? Testament = covenant.

Jesus instituted a new covenant. A better one than what came before it.
 
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The audience is mixed, but the New Testament is primarily written for/to Christians, the first of whom had originally been Jewish.

Why do you not call Matthew to Revelation the New Testament? Testament = covenant.

Jesus instituted a new covenant. A better one than what came before it.
Because the new covenant is not the writings that are Matthew through Revelation. The new covenant is spoken of by Jeremiah, in the gospels, and in 1 and 2 Corinthians.