Second Coming-Individual Accounts-Same Event

Individual points provide evidence that the seals, trumpets, vials, and harvests are individual accounts of the same event; the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

• Seven Seals – Revelation 4 – Revelation 8:5

• Seventh Trumpet – Revelation 8:2 – Revelation 11:19

• Two Harvests – Revelation 12 – 14

• Seven Vials – Revelation 15 – 19



First Account of Second Coming
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:12-14

1. The Sixth Seal

a. A great earthquake

b. Sun became dark

c. Moon became as blood

d. Stars fall from Heaven

e. The Heavens departed as a scroll

f. Mountains and islands moved out of their places

g. Day of God’s Wrath is come

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains. And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath has come, and who shall be able to stand?" Revelation 6:15-17

2. The Seventh Seal

a. Silence in Heaven for half an hour

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Revelation 8:1

b. Rapture of the church

c. Mighty men overwhelmed with fear

d. Voices

e. Thunderings

f. Lightnings

g. A great earthquake

"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Revelation 8:5



Second Account of Second Coming
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned." Revelation 11:15-17

1. Seventh Trumpet

a. Jesus Christ will put down all human governments.

b. He will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords.

c. Jesus Christ will rule the world for the next 1,000 years.

d. The Kingdom of God will begin.

2. The events of the Seventh Trumpet are the same as the Seventh Seal.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Revelation 11:18-19

a. Sounding of the trumpet

b. Earthly reign of Jesus Christ begins

c. The Day of God’s Wrath has come

d. Lightnings

e. Thunderings

f. Voices

g. A great earthquake

h. Great hail



Third Account of Second Coming – Two Harvests
"And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. Revelation 14:14-16

1. First Harvest

a. The first harvest of the earth is called the Rapture.

b. Jesus gave a parable of the harvest of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13.

2. Second Harvest

"And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs." Revelation 14:17-20

a. The harvest of the vine of the earth

b. The tares will be burned with unquenchable fire.

c. This harvest happens at the Battle of Armageddon.

3. These events are depicted in the third account of the Second Coming.

a. The Rapture

b. Wrath of God

c. Battle of Armageddon



Fourth Account of Second Coming – The Seventh Vial
1. Last Minute Warning

a. This occurs before the Rapture of the church.

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. " Revelation 16:15

2. Battle of Armageddon

"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." Revelation 16:16-18

a. The Battle of Armageddon will begin in the Valley of Megiddo in northern Israel.

b. It will culminate outside of Jerusalem in the Kidron Valley.

c. The Wrath of God will be executed against the armies attempting to eradicate the nation of Israel.

3. Marriage of the Lamb

a. The wife is the bride, the church.

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Revelation 19:6-7

b. The church will become the wife of Jesus Christ at His Second Coming.

"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God." Revelation 19:8-9

c. The church will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air as He comes to the Battle of Armageddon.

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:11-15

d. This is the Rapture of the church.

4. Events at the Battle of Armageddon

a. Voices

b. Thunders

c. Lightnings

d. A great earthquake

e. Great hail

f. Marriage of the Lamb

g. Heavens opened

h. Wrath of God

i. Earthly reign of Jesus Christ begins



The Olivet Discourse

"…Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" Matthew 24:3

1. This account was given by Jesus Himself on the Mount of Olives.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31

2. Jesus gave the following signs of His Second Coming:

a. Sun becomes dark

b. Moon turns to blood

c. Stars fall from Heaven

d. Heavens open

e. Sounding of the trumpet

f. The Rapture



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Second Account of Second Coming
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned." Revelation 11:15-17

1. Seventh Trumpet

a. Jesus Christ will put down all human governments.

b. He will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords.

c. Jesus Christ will rule the world for the next 1,000 years.

d. The Kingdom of God will begin.

2. The events of the Seventh Trumpet are the same as the Seventh Seal.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Revelation 11:18-19

Jesus Could not speak of the (f) rapture (harpazō) of 1Th 4:17 as it had not been made known until Paul received it be revelation.

right after the end of the trib and the start of the second coming.

Individual points provide evidence that the seals, trumpets, vials, and harvests are individual accounts of the same event; the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

• Seven Seals – Revelation 4 – Revelation 8:5

• Seventh Trumpet – Revelation 8:2 – Revelation 11:19

• Two Harvests – Revelation 12 – 14

• Seven Vials – Revelation 15 – 19

How do you figure .... after?
You don't have to elaborate ...I am sure you have a verse that you believe substantiates it.

I look at the 7 seals of being the longest period of time.

Jesus Could not speak of the (f) rapture (harpazō) of 1Th 4:17 as it had not been made known until Paul received it be revelation.
had not been made known as in ....it did not exist .....it was hid in God until after Pentecost.

Dream on...Sunshine!

You are attempting to compare events of the 7th trumpet to events of the 7th seal but you just copied verses from the 7th trump to compare with other verses of the 7th trump. You didn't quote the 7rth seal at all. Revelation 11:15-17 and Revelation 11:18-19 are all from the text of the 7th trump.

I look at the 7 seals of being the longest period of time.

Then the trumpets then the vials.

God is going to allow the world to have their way for 7 years, and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and when they do He will end sin on earth.

But the deception happened before the 7 years period which is the new age movement who interpret the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and a god, along with the New Age Christ who will be the greatest being who is Lucifer inhabiting a male body.

They believe Lucifer gave mankind intelligence, and is a god, and an alien, that wants to help people have peace, and advance, and evolve.

They do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel because they do not believe in a God, and when the Bible says Lucifer fell they say it was not in to sin and disgrace, but he descended from Venus to Earth to bring the principle of mind to the then-animal man.

I believe the first 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to get right with God which after the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins, and turn to God, so He gives them the New Age Christ to rule over them.

And example is WW1, did not turn to God, set up League of Nations.

After WW2, did not turn to God, set up United Nations.

And that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet.

Which North Korea, Ukraine war, Taiwan incident, and any seemingly conflicts between nations is a scare tactic to try to drive the world together to work for peace especially since a nuclear war could happen.

The United Nations supports new age organizations and is with the new age movement as well as Science.

So the nations are actually working together but they do not want the world to know that.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

They are setting things up for the New Age Christ which they do not believe he will help them until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth so they are working on that.

America does not even care about hiding what they do anymore like Maui for the nations are together with the same plan so what are we going to do about it.

It is no longer America that we have to deal with but the world which will be shown in the future when the patriots rebel against what is going on, but they will fall.

The vials are at the end of the 7 years period because God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years, which the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world, and the New Age Christ has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he could not have that unless God allowed him to do it.

Individual points provide evidence that the seals, trumpets, vials, and harvests are individual accounts of the same event; the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

• Seven Seals – Revelation 4 – Revelation 8:5

• Seventh Trumpet – Revelation 8:2 – Revelation 11:19

• Two Harvests – Revelation 12 – 14

• Seven Vials – Revelation 15 – 19



First Account of Second Coming
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:12-14

1. The Sixth Seal

a. A great earthquake

b. Sun became dark

c. Moon became as blood

d. Stars fall from Heaven

e. The Heavens departed as a scroll

f. Mountains and islands moved out of their places

g. Day of God’s Wrath is come

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains. And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath has come, and who shall be able to stand?" Revelation 6:15-17

2. The Seventh Seal

a. Silence in Heaven for half an hour

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Revelation 8:1

b. Rapture of the church

c. Mighty men overwhelmed with fear

d. Voices

e. Thunderings

f. Lightnings

g. A great earthquake

"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Revelation 8:5



Second Account of Second Coming
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned." Revelation 11:15-17

1. Seventh Trumpet

a. Jesus Christ will put down all human governments.

b. He will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords.

c. Jesus Christ will rule the world for the next 1,000 years.

d. The Kingdom of God will begin.

2. The events of the Seventh Trumpet are the same as the Seventh Seal.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Revelation 11:18-19

a. Sounding of the trumpet

b. Earthly reign of Jesus Christ begins

c. The Day of God’s Wrath has come

d. Lightnings

e. Thunderings

f. Voices

g. A great earthquake

h. Great hail



Third Account of Second Coming – Two Harvests
"And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. Revelation 14:14-16

1. First Harvest

a. The first harvest of the earth is called the Rapture.

b. Jesus gave a parable of the harvest of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13.

2. Second Harvest

"And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs." Revelation 14:17-20

a. The harvest of the vine of the earth

b. The tares will be burned with unquenchable fire.

c. This harvest happens at the Battle of Armageddon.

3. These events are depicted in the third account of the Second Coming.

a. The Rapture

b. Wrath of God

c. Battle of Armageddon



Fourth Account of Second Coming – The Seventh Vial
1. Last Minute Warning

a. This occurs before the Rapture of the church.

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. " Revelation 16:15

2. Battle of Armageddon

"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." Revelation 16:16-18

a. The Battle of Armageddon will begin in the Valley of Megiddo in northern Israel.

b. It will culminate outside of Jerusalem in the Kidron Valley.

c. The Wrath of God will be executed against the armies attempting to eradicate the nation of Israel.

3. Marriage of the Lamb

a. The wife is the bride, the church.

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Revelation 19:6-7

b. The church will become the wife of Jesus Christ at His Second Coming.

"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God." Revelation 19:8-9

c. The church will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air as He comes to the Battle of Armageddon.

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:11-15

d. This is the Rapture of the church.

4. Events at the Battle of Armageddon

a. Voices

b. Thunders

c. Lightnings

d. A great earthquake

e. Great hail

f. Marriage of the Lamb

g. Heavens opened

h. Wrath of God

i. Earthly reign of Jesus Christ begins



The Olivet Discourse

"…Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" Matthew 24:3

1. This account was given by Jesus Himself on the Mount of Olives.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31

2. Jesus gave the following signs of His Second Coming:

a. Sun becomes dark

b. Moon turns to blood

c. Stars fall from Heaven

d. Heavens open

e. Sounding of the trumpet

f. The Rapture



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"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Rev 8:1-5

Why stop there? Can chapters 8-22 be part of the 7th seal also?

See Post #13.

Paul learned it from Christ. Christ described the rapture as the gathering of saints in Matthew 24, which happens right after the end of the trib and the start of the second coming.

Hey for me when I compare 1st Thess caught up with Matt 24 they do not match.

Jesus Could not speak of the (f) rapture (harpazō) of 1Th 4:17 as it had not been made known until Paul received it be revelation.
had not been made known as in ....it did not exist .....it was hid in God until after Pentecost.