Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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PennEd

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Hey, we're back in this part of the forum again! lol I'm not going to call myself overly intelligent, but I'm not so stupid as to simply "follow the leader". I have done some traveling in my life, I have fellowshipped with many people in all walks of life, with people of all denominations. Where I wouldn't call myself overly intelligent, I would definitely say I am not a follower of people. So when someone throws out an judgement call, an opinion, and say anyone who follows Trump is part of a cult, I find that a tad bit insulting. Or I would, if I considered opinion fact. Luckily I know opinion when I see it and fact when I see it.
You are pretty bright, but You’re conversing with a guy who ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

In the past, he constantly kept telling people he was smart. Sure sign of the opposite.

I think he may be Fredo!

 

ZNP

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You are pretty bright, but You’re conversing with a guy who ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

In the past, he constantly kept telling people he was smart. Sure sign of the opposite.

I think he may be Fredo!

He did not say he was smart. What he said was he was the smartest person his psychiatrist had seen as a patient.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Yeah, I'm back. It's like the train wreck you can't help but look at :D. We seem to have a lot in common; I have traveled a lot myself, I too have fellowshipped with many people in all walks of life, with people of all denominations. Been in the mission field a tad. I'm not a follower either (that part should be obvious by now lol).
Wow, we do have a lot in common, imagine that! So we both have a heart for people, and for them to hear the Gospel.

I don't normally flaunt my intelligence, but when it is repeatedly questioned I have a right to set the record straight. I try not to judge, tho I will opine. And when God gives me a message to spread I spread it. Even when I'd rather not, which is kind of the case here. I've tried to walk away but no, He won't let me. So I get to play the unpopular guy, the astrobogulous voice in the desert calling out.
Well, I don't have much intelligence to flaunt. I guess a lot of it is my upbringing. There were two things my parents insisted on (there were others of course) but two main things. If you lived under their roof you go to church and you vote, no questions. They told me to listen to the candidates and vote the one closest to my beliefs. Their reasoning was that people had fought and died for my right to vote. To them it was a duty but also a privilege. And they would say "there are people in the world that would love to have the rights we do". And we lived in Canada where we didn't even have free speech.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. And yes there are exceptions to every stereotype. Not everyone who supports trump is a deplorable. Actually, most of them are normal working want 3 hots and a roof kinds of people who just want an alternative to what the left is shoveling. And sadly most of them believe they have no choice but to hold their noses and vote for the lesser evil.

Have you listened to the Oliver Anthony song Rich Men North of Richmond? Probably? Ok. Have you seen where they cut across all people, showing their reactions? I saw one the other day with black people, liberal people, conservative people, and others. That song is hitting hard as the kids would say. I mean, grown men are breaking down into tears. These last few years this radical, liberal, Marxism has hit men hard. They've been told they are toxic, racist, misogynist. They been told they're rapists and to believe all women, no matter what the facts are. Girl power is everywhere. They go out and work and get chicken feed back. They can't afford food or the gas to do get the food. They sure can't afford to buy a home. They feel dejected and rejected. And these liberals look at the situation in this country and say " lets force everyone to buy electric cars"!! They are so out of touch with the feeling of the country. The thing is Oliver Anthony is not conservative. This songs cuts across every age, every race, every religion. In a country so divided, people are agreeing on this anthem, things have to change, now!!


Trouble is, there is no lesser evil. It exists fully on the left and on the right. But the evil on the right portrays itself as an angel of light. And far too many who seek the light are being deceived by it's brightness. That part really troubles me. Jesus told us that many will be deceived and turn away from Him, I don't want that happening to anyone I know. Not on my watch.
The very definition of deception is that those who are falling to it don't know it is happening. And it takes someone with the gift to see causal relationships where others don't, to detect it. I mean, if common intellect could see these relationships, then deception would never happen, right?
I can totally appreciate how you feel. And people like you and I are big on feeling a calling. That's why we traveled away from home and did what we did.We felt a call we could not resist. And I understand that conservatism doesn't mean "Christian". But I do believe there is a vast difference between the Marxist agenda the radical left is pushing and conservatism. And if voting for them will put the radicals out of office, I'm gonna do it every time. I cherish our freedoms too much and maybe it's because I've come from Canada that doesn't have all the same freedoms America has.



My message is not about trump, it is about the deception. trump is just the head of the snake, so he gets more attention.

And I don't mean to render judgment on anyone who follows him. It's not judgment, it's a warning.
When it became clear Hitler wasn't going to stop at the border and he had plans to take over the world, a change was made in England. They brought Churchill back. And there is no doubt that that move helped them win the war. Churchill, I don't believe, had any strong faith. He drank like a fish, most found him arrogant, he certainly wasn't a born again believer. Yet he called for a day of prayer for the country that many believe turned the tide of the war. See I believe God can use imperfect people, people we would never choose, to work his will. There is no doubt Churchill was the man for the job, for that period in time. I believe the same could be true of Trump. On top of that, what Biden is doing against Trump, trying to imprison his political opponent is shockingly wrong. And if it is allowed to happen to Trump, others will be in the same danger. I thank you for your post, it made me see more clearly where you're coming from and I'm not trying to judge you either. Most of all,I believe the best thing is to pray that God will place the right person in office.
 

ZNP

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When it became clear Hitler wasn't going to stop at the border and he had plans to take over the world, a change was made in England. They brought Churchill back. And there is no doubt that that move helped them win the war. Churchill, I don't believe, had any strong faith. He drank like a fish, most found him arrogant, he certainly wasn't a born again believer. Yet he called for a day of prayer for the country that many believe turned the tide of the war. See I believe God can use imperfect people, people we would never choose, to work his will. There is no doubt Churchill was the man for the job, for that period in time. I believe the same could be true of Trump. On top of that, what Biden is doing against Trump, trying to imprison his political opponent is shockingly wrong. And if it is allowed to happen to Trump, others will be in the same danger. I thank you for your post, it made me see more clearly where you're coming from and I'm not trying to judge you either. Most of all,I believe the best thing is to pray that God will place the right person in office.
Are you comparing Neville Chamberlain to the weak, feckless Joe Biden? And Churchill to that jawbone of an ass named Donald Trump?

Are you saying that history repeats itself, first as tragedy and second as farce?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Are you comparing Neville Chamberlain to the weak, feckless Joe Biden? And Churchill to that jawbone of an ass named Donald Trump?

Are you saying that history repeats itself, first as tragedy and second as farce?
Yep, I believe I am. Thanks for drawing that clear line. That's 100% my meaning.
 

ZNP

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Mike Pence makes a case for becoming president

According to Mike Pence's lecture to us on the constitution he and all of congeress were simply a rubber stamp for the election. They had no authority or power to respond to claims made of fraud. This is why we need to elect Mike Pence, he will be a rubber stamp to the Deep State as President. This message resonates with the elites.
 

ZNP

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Here is the joke of the day brought to us by the stand up comedian that gives the Whitehouse briefings

After shaking hands with this very old medal of honor winner, Biden then walked off the stage and through the crowd (not out the back door) in order to "reduce" the exposure to him since he had been exposed to his wife who tested positive for Covid (even though he has not tested positive)

BTW she wants to make sure everyone knows that the disrespect to the medal of honor winner was "purposeful"

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/0...lking-out-of-medal-of-honor-ceremony-n2163494
 

true_believer

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If Republicans want to have any chance of winning in 2024, they need to dump Trump the chump.
His chances are going down in flames...bigly.
 

ZNP

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If Republicans want to have any chance of winning in 2024, they need to dump Trump the chump.
His chances are going down in flames...bigly.
You are truly someone who can help the Republicans win in 2024, what would help the Republicans the most is if you offered your strategic counsel to the Democrats.
 

ZNP

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i am not aware of anyone ever saying that.
Obviously you don't watch Morning Joe on MSNBC or The View or many other pundits and talking heads on CNN, MSNBC and various late night comedians with washed up careers.



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...cult-republican-voters-indoctrination/675173/

The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control Hardcover – October 15, 2019

https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Trump-Leading-Explains-President/dp/1982127333

Clinton’s ‘cult’ jab at Trump supporters triggers dubious defenses

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/14/clinton-trump-cult-analysis/

Opinion | The Messianic Trump Cult

Politico
 

ResidentAlien

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If Republicans want to have any chance of winning in 2024, they need to dump Trump the chump.
His chances are going down in flames...bigly.
Same ol' Trump who loved to insult Rosie, only now it's his political opponents. lol He's an emotional child in an old man's body. He'll never change.
 

JTB

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If Republicans want to have any chance of winning in 2024, they need to dump Trump the chump.
His chances are going down in flames...bigly.
Make no mistake, trump will win in '24.

Any ONE of the things he is facing would be politically fatal to anyone else. But it only makes him stronger.

What does the Bible say about someone who arises from a seemingly fatal blow to take power?

Yes God will make sure the right people get into office. But He's also made clear that those leaders will march towards the 'antichrist', not towards righteousness.

Thinking anyone will be elected to restore righteousness to this country and the world flies in the face of prophesy.
 

JTB

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You are pretty bright, but You’re conversing with a guy who ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

In the past, he constantly kept telling people he was smart. Sure sign of the opposite.

I think he may be Fredo!

Gee help penn. I rely on the counsel of trained and licensed experts.

You lean upon your own understanding.

I'm pretty sure there's at least one scripture explaining how that works.

You questioning my intelligence is like pee wee Herman challenging Solomon.
 

Cameron143

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Make no mistake, trump will win in '24.

Any ONE of the things he is facing would be politically fatal to anyone else. But it only makes him stronger.

What does the Bible say about someone who arises from a seemingly fatal blow to take power?

Yes God will make sure the right people get into office. But He's also made clear that those leaders will march towards the 'antichrist', not towards righteousness.

Thinking anyone will be elected to restore righteousness to this country and the world flies in the face of prophesy.
No one is looking for Trump to restore righteousness. Only Jesus can do that. We are looking for someone who will restore justice.
 

JTB

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No one is looking for Trump to restore righteousness. Only Jesus can do that. We are looking for someone who will restore justice.
That ain't happening either
 

ZNP

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You questioning my intelligence is like pee wee Herman challenging Solomon.
"It's like looking into an obnoxious little mirror"