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Have we not also died with Christ?

Nor can any keep the whole of the law, which is why Jesus came, for He did what none other could.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

There is not even a temple any more, so there goes a good portion of law-keeping! Kaput.

That is right, Magenta. No one of us mere humans are perfect. Jesus was perfect and did not sin, for if he had sinned, then He could not be our Messiah/Christ.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So what is the take home message?

Christ Our Advocate
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Do these verses sound like don't do any of the law because you cannot do it perfectly?

With no temple and no Levites and no nation and no Sanhedrin, what are we to do???? Some assume that there is nothing TO DO.

A good and worthy to respect Father has His family DOING. DO HOUSE CLEANING. AT PASSOVER WE THROW OUT THE LEAVEN AND EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD FOR 7 DAYS.

Sadly it seems, many do not respect the Father or honor Him and His Will.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

What is the will of the Fathjer which is in heaven??? The following are things we can do. This is not an exhaustive list. Each Sabbath we can hear to Torah being read and learn week by week.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Leviticus 23 - we can observe and keep holy Sabbaths and Feasts Days

Leviticus 25 - We now know the Sabbitical and Jubilee cycles and that we are in the 120th cycle (See Genesis 6:3)

Leviticus 11 - we can eat food and those things that are forbidden are not for our human consumption.

Leviticus 19:32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head (aged), and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

and so many more .... even the least commandment ...Deuteronomy_22:6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:

Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do you want to be counted as 'LAWLESS"? Do you want to be a cop out and hear Jesus say "I know you not" and "You know me not"?

Of course, Jesus doesn't want to marry a dead corpse. Die to self and rise a new person, desiring and pleasing and obeying.

I am known and loved of my Father in heaven. He knows me, and I know Him. If you wanna try to
keep the "law" you are free to do so, but you will fail. I have been freed from the curse of the law.


John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 10:4

I want to revisit Hebrews 8:13. What was the difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant?

The Old Covenant was a marriage vow on Pentecost/Shavuot.

Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

The Ten Commandments are given in the next chapter of Exodus. The people answered we will do before they were to hear the whole matter of what they were to do. That, in New Testament language is FAITH.

The New Covenant is also a marriage vow, also given on Pentecost/Shavuot. Who are the recipients of the New Covenant? The same as the Old Covenant - all of Israel and in the New Covenant it is House of Israel and House of Judah. This time in the New Covenant the Holy Spirit was given to be a HELPER AND COMFORTER, to guide you into all truth. That truth musst align with the entire Bible. This talk that the Old is done away with and we don't have to do anything but accept Jesus in our hearts and accept His atoning blood.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

For your consideration: Will there be another significant Pentecost/Shavuot? Passover in March/April is for the BARLEY HARVEST.

Pentecost/Shavuot occurs about 8 weeks later (May/June) and is for the WHEAT HARVEST. I believe that the RAPTURE will occur on a future Pentecost/Shavuot.

When does the wheat and tares get separated? The tares are burned and the wheat is put in the barns/storage/safe place.

Freed from the CURSE of the law. Amen!!

Punishment for Disobedience
Lev 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
Lev 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
Lev 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
Lev 26:17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
Lev 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
Lev 26:20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
Lev 26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
Lev 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
Lev 26:23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Lev 26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
Lev 26:25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
Lev 26:26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
Lev 26:27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
Lev 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
Lev 26:29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Lev 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
Lev 26:32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
Lev 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
Lev 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
Lev 26:35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
Lev 26:36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
Lev 26:37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
Lev 26:38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
Lev 26:39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Lev 26:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
Lev 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
Lev 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
Lev 26:46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

I only ask because He is the first fruit, and we are like Him. We have the law fulfilled for us as well. So we don't look to the law but walk in the Spirit. As we do, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We have become a whole new creation that is continually begin led into righteousness if we so walk in Him. We don't consider what the law has to say about the circumstances we find ourselves in. We merely walk in the light.

King James Version - Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law FOR righteousness to every one that believeth.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

This is the will of the Father:

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

It is evil to say "Do as thy will and to hell with doing the will of God which is to keep the commandments, because He first loved us and we want to show our love for Him."

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Deuteronomy 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hosea 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.

That's not what is being proposed. One who is walking in the Spirit is actually doing both the will of the Father and obeying perfectly. The Spirit cannot lead any other way.

I have no problem with your verses. But They cannot buy the oil. the oil is the Holy Spirit. There are those in the church which keep god's commandments, in appearance, but lack a converted heart.

therefore His having acted as our high priest, sprinkling His blood on the heavenly altar, signifies without controversy that it is not the Law/Covenant written in Deuteronomy we are made partakers in.

Amen,
salvation is not for sale - it's free!
He has paid the price and gives it to whom He will, whosoever will come

YES

everywhere the gospel is accurately preached, people are falsely accused of trying to excuse sin and refusing to do good.

thanks

I see you edited my resopnse to remove a key part of my post... I have to say I have read some of your posts and honestly I like a lot of what you say and you seem cool, why edit my response...anyway,

Has all been accomplished? Did Revelation 21 already happen?

So you believe the Law is still valid?

I do, not Moses, YHWH's Law

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Did Revelation 21 already happen?

i only quoted some of it because the point i was making only had to do with part of it.
didn't mean anything by doing that other than, i wasn't ready to address the whole post




i believe Romans 6-8 spells out our freedom from the Law by way of our having become dead as far as it is concerned, being found in Christ. you cannot charge a dead man; a dead man does not face any fines and isn't under any obligation to obey traffic lights.

if anyone is under the Law now, they are utterly hopeless. there is no tabernacle, there is no temple, there are no ashes of a red heifer. so there is no absolution in the Law and all the requirements of the priesthood of Levi are being constantly broken.
That is the sad, sad state of the unbelieving Jew.

does the Law still apply to anyone? i suppose yes, to those who put themselves under it - but they immediately put themselves under all the curses of the Covenant because the Law cannot be fulfilled without the temple or tabernacle.

But Hebrews says it is obsolete, and waxing old ready to pass away even 1900 years ago when that letter was written. so perhaps it really is gone, and all are judged by what they say of Christ? I don't know.

The verses you put say that not a single piece of one letter of one word of the Law will. pass away until all is fulfilled. but what does "all" mean, and when Christ said on the cross, "it is finished" what exactly was He saying was finished?

I can understand the 'heaven and earth pass away' phrase as an emphasis, not a trigger. that is, creation itself will be dissolved before the least bit of the Law is eroded, without all first being fulfilled. but if the sacrifice of the Lamb of God = all being fulfilled, to wit, finished, then it is not necessary for heaven and earth to pass away in order for the Law, obsolete and waxing old, passes away.

Or I could. look at it as i infer you do - that the trigger is creation being dissolved
i don't know which is correct, yet. both are plausible to me.



hope that makes sense bro, thanks for reading my drivel!

no

i believe in a literal, still future fulfillment of Revelation.

You post some good stuff, I do disagree here tho, I believe Romans 6-8 is talking about being dead to sin

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!”

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!”

All of this is actually in line with what Yahshua says and does:

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”

free frm being a servant of sin.

Well thats why I said a key part of post because Yahshua says " till the heaven and the earth pass away" that has not happened yet, so therefore all has not been fulfilled.

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

That is what the text says, ignoring the heaven and earth part one can not understand what He is saying.