OT Gospel of the Kingdom - NT Gospel of the grace of God

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FlyingDove

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Dispensationalism never works. Everyone from Adam to present is saved by grace through faith in Christ.
Post #7 records 5 God breathed verses citing dispensation. You're can reject their validity.

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
 

FlyingDove

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You just asked me this



Literally you just asked and I replied:



Why do people start accusing you when you agree with Yahshua?
I've accused you of nothing. Nor have I discarded anything. Who is accusing whom?

I ask you a simple yes or no question.

You didn't answer this question either:

Matt 19: 17Jesus answered, “Why are you asking Me about what is [essentially] good? There is only One who is [essentially] good; but if you wish to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments.”

Are NT believers required to keep the Sabbath as recorded on Ex.?
 

FlyingDove

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Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Middle wall of partition

Eph 2:
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
(MY NOTE: The Temple area had 4 courts:

The Court of the Gentiles, everyone was allowed here.
The Court of the Women, other Israelites were allowed there but, women weren't allowed beyond.

The Court of Israel, men 20yrs & up only.

The Court of the Priests, Priests only)

The middle WALL of PARTITION Paul is referring to was a wall of stone balusters. That separated/divided the outer temple Courtyard of the Gentiles (considered ungodly/impure) from the rest of the temple.

Warnings were posted in Latin & Greek. Any foreign uncircumcised person caught crossing into another courtyard was punishable by DEATH!

QUESTION: Does this sound like gentiles were part of Israel. Who Jesus was sent to redeem?

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the "House of Israel")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent to minister to the circumcision/JEWS. To fulfil OT promises made to the ISRAEL'S fathers)

Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: God sent forth his SON """made under the law""" to """redeem those > UNDER the law/JEWS""")
 

SpeakTruth101

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I've accused you of nothing. Nor have I discarded anything. Who is accusing whom?

I ask you a simple yes or no question.

You didn't answer this question either:

Matt 19: 17Jesus answered, “Why are you asking Me about what is [essentially] good? There is only One who is [essentially] good; but if you wish to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments.”

Are NT believers required to keep the Sabbath as recorded on Ex.?
we are in a Bible Discussion forum and you turn it into what I have done. It an ad hominem tactic.

When you go "have you done this or that" that is not Biblical discussion,

An ad hominem argument is a personal attack against the source of an argument, rather than against the argument itself. Essentially, this means that ad hominem arguments are used to attack opposing views indirectly, by attacking the individuals or groups that support these views.
 

SpeakTruth101

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Middle wall of partition

Eph 2:
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
(MY NOTE: The Temple area had 4 courts:

The Court of the Gentiles, everyone was allowed here.
The Court of the Women, other Israelites were allowed there but, women weren't allowed beyond.

The Court of Israel, men 20yrs & up only.

The Court of the Priests, Priests only)

The middle WALL of PARTITION Paul is referring to was a wall of stone balusters. That separated/divided the outer temple Courtyard of the Gentiles (considered ungodly/impure) from the rest of the temple.

Warnings were posted in Latin & Greek. Any foreign uncircumcised person caught crossing into another courtyard was punishable by DEATH!

QUESTION: Does this sound like gentiles were part of Israel. Who Jesus was sent to redeem?

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the "House of Israel")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent to minister to the circumcision/JEWS. To fulfil OT promises made to the ISRAEL'S fathers)

Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: God sent forth his SON """made under the law""" to """redeem those > UNDER the law/JEWS""")
So do you believe Jesus words are nto for you?



Mat 28:19-20,28:19, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 4:18-19,18 “The Spirit of יהוה is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
 

FlyingDove

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we are in a Bible Discussion forum and you turn it into what I have done. It an ad hominem tactic.

When you go "have you done this or that" that is not Biblical discussion,

An ad hominem argument is a personal attack against the source of an argument, rather than against the argument itself. Essentially, this means that ad hominem arguments are used to attack opposing views indirectly, by attacking the individuals or groups that support these views.
Not sure how asking you to answer a question, is ad hominem or beyond the realm of discussion. I'll leave our unfruitful exchange at we disagree. Best wishes, JJ
 

SpeakTruth101

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Not sure how asking you to answer a question, is ad hominem or beyond the realm of discussion. I'll leave our unfruitful exchange at we disagree. Best wishes, JJ
trying to find reason to accuse "did you do this" and you JUST asked me the same thing after I answered it a few minutes ago...

youre making it about me rather than the word. What I do has no bearing on the Word.
 

FlyingDove

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So do you believe Jesus words are nto for you?



Mat 28:19-20,28:19, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 4:18-19,18 “The Spirit of יהוה is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Read my last reply, placing you on ignore. May His grace be multiplied to you & yours.
 

SpeakTruth101

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Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
 

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2nd paragraph in the OP: OT Gospel of the Kingdom: Israel only! Preaching begins with John the Baptist 25-26AD, is retired 70AD/Temple destroyed. Will be reinstated after the catching-up of the Church (Thes 4)

After the Church is removed & the dispensation of GRACE ends. 100% focus will be on Israel & the Gospel of the Kingdom will be reinstated.
It doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's not true.
The gospel of grace will be preached by an angel, 2 witnesses, & 144,000 Jews during the Tribulation.
I would suggest you read the book of Revelation & quit listening to other people's conclusions on the internet.:)
 

FlyingDove

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It doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's not true.
The gospel of grace will be preached by an angel, 2 witnesses, & 144,000 Jews during the Tribulation.
I would suggest you read the book of Revelation & quit listening to other people's conclusions on the internet.:)
Ditto, read the text it's the ALL JEWISH gospel of the kingdom that the ALL JEWISH 144, 000 will be preaching!
 

SpeakTruth101

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Ditto, read the text it's the ALL JEWISH gospel of the kingdom that the ALL JEWISH 144, 000 will be preaching!
Mat 28:19-20,28:19, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
 

SpeakTruth101

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John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."
 

FlyingDove

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But there's no such thing as an all Jewish gospel! It's for everyone!
The gospel of the Kingdom is ALL JEWISH. So, will those be that preach it:

THE """12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL""". ALL Israelites!

Rev 7:4
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

The 144,000 are ALL ISRAELITES! Just reread the text.
 

SpeakTruth101

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John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
 

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2nd paragraph in the OP: OT Gospel of the Kingdom: Israel only! Preaching begins with John the Baptist 25-26AD, is retired 70AD/Temple destroyed. Will be reinstated after the catching-up of the Church (Thes 4)

After the Church is removed & the dispensation of GRACE ends. 100% focus will be on Israel & the Gospel of the Kingdom will be reinstated.
the gospel of the kingdom of Heaven is NOT for Israel only, Jesus preached First to the Israelites but not exclusively see the verses about the samarirans, see John 4

Also see the end of Matthew that proves you are wrong here it is just for you so you may understant that what you say to us is WRONG;

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


and Mark;

Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


and LUKE;

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.