How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

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posthuman

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According to Ezek 1:1-28, God is a quartet rather than a trio.
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The throne is not the King.

Ezekiel 1:26
Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.
 

posthuman

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It has already been shown in other threads how Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life
It has already been debunked in other threads.

Psalms 119:5-6
Oh, that my ways were directed
To keep Your statutes!
Then I would not be ashamed,
When I look into all Your commandments.

Christ is not ashamed or convicted of sin by the Law.
 
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it was worth a try, but that's enough.
 
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have at your fatuous debates.
 

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the substance of God is not dust.

Psalms 103:14
For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.
SO true

Psalms 144:3-4,יהוה, what is man, that You should know him? Son of man, that You should think of him?Man is like a breath, His days like a passing shadow.

Genesis 2:7,And יהוה Elohim formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives. And the man became a living being."

Job 10:9,Remember, please, that You have made me like clay. And would You turn me into dust again?"

Psalms 32:7-8,You are my hiding place; You preserve me from distress; You surround me with songs of deliverance. Selah.“Let Me instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; Let Me counsel, My eye be on you.
 

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Is Mary the mother of God?

It's commonly assumed by a pretty good percentage of the Christians I've
encountered over the years that the Word's flesh per John 1:14 came into
the world as a divine man when in reality the Word came into the world as a
Jewish man biologically descended from Adam; and of course the soil with
which Adam was constructed per Gen 2:7. In other words: Jesus was a
genuine man rather than some sort of hominid freak.

FAQ: From whence did the Word obtain a Y chromosome for Jesus' male
gender?

REPLY: According to John 1:1-3, the Word is capable of constructing a
complete woman using nothing more than material taken from a man's
body. So I should think the Word is capable of doing something like that in
reverse, i.e. capable of constructing a man's chromosomes using nothing
more than material taken from a woman's body. And seeing as how every
woman descends from Adam, then any and all material taken from Mary's
body to fashion Jesus' body, owes itself to Adam's body just the same as
everybody else.
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Well, at a lot of places in Scripture. Did you ever wonder why Jesus Christ Himself often times referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He's the Son of God on His Father's side because He has His Father's nature. He's the Son of Man on His mother's side because she's human.

Jesus has two natures, one on His Father's side which is deity and one on His mother's side which is human. It's a universal law that a son (or a daughter for that matter) shares the same nature as its father. Dogs begat dogs, beavers begat other beavers etc. You can prove me wrong by giving me an example of a son that does not share the same nature as its father.

The Jews understood all the claims that Jesus made. John 5:17-18, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because (or why?) He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

How about John 8:56-59. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Vs58, Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born I am." This means that Jesus existed before Abraham and in fact created him. Vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him etc.:

Now for John 10:30, "I and the Father We are one." Of course they are one in purpose but this is not what Jesus meant. He and the Father are one in nature or essence. Look what the Jews say at John 10:31, "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him. (Why?) Vs32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man make Yourself out GOD."

At vs34 Jesus brings up Psalm 82:6, the subject of "gods." Here again, why? I will explain it later. Now we go to the trial record at Matthew 26:57-65. The high priest Caiaphas is presiding and false witnesses are presented that goes back three years. Vs61, "This man stated, I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days." If you go back to John 2;19, "Jesus answered them and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Apostle John says at John 2:21, "But He was speaking of the temple of His body."

Now back to the trial. The high priest Caiaphas is getting impatient because Jesus is keeping silent, (vs63). Then at vs63 the high priest states, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God." The priest is asking Jesus two things to swear to. (1) Are you the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. At Luke 22:70, Jesus says, "Yes, I am."

At vs65, "Then the high priest tore his robes, saying, He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have heard the blasphemy;" Something to think about. It is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. People have made the claim even today and they were not killed. Another thing, why would the Jews accuse Jesus for claiming to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves claim to be sons of God?

Look what the Apostle John states at John 20:30-31, "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; vs31, but these have been written that you may believe that (1) Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, and (2) the Son of God; and that believing you many have life in His name."

The problem with the Jews, and with others all through history and even today is they did not believe Jesus because He was who He claimed to be which means there was no blasphemy.

IN GOD THE SON,
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Outstanding connection to the Trail. I never saw that connection before. I did use both texts seperately, but did not make that connection. Cool
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Psalm 88 is one of the Son's prayers while He was suffering death. He praises His Father in the Psalm and says He wants to live to continue to praise His Father and declare His wonders.

Psalm 88

A Song. A Psalm by the sons of Korah. For the Chief Musician.
To the tune of “The Suffering of Affliction.”
A contemplation by Heman, the Ezrahite.

(Son to Father during His death and suffering for our sins)

88:1 YHVH, the 'Elohiym of My Salvation (Yĕshuw`ah),
I have cried day and night before You.
88:2 Let My prayer enter into Your presence.
Turn Your ear to My cry.
88:3 For My soul is full of troubles.
My life draws near to Sheol.
88:4 I am counted among those who go down into the pit.
I am like a Man Who has no Help,
88:5 set apart among the dead,
like the slain who lie in the grave,
whom You remember no more.
they are cut off from Your hand.
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
88:10 Do You show wonders to the Dead?
Do the Dead rise up and praise You?

Selah.
88:11 Is Your mercy declared in the grave?
Or Your faithfulness in destruction?

88:12 Are Your wonders made known in the dark?
Or Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

88:13 But to You, YHVH, I have cried.
In the morning, My prayer comes before You.
88:14 YHVH, why do You reject My soul?
Why do You hide Your face from Me?
88:15 I am afflicted and ready to die from My youth up.
While I suffer Your terrors, I am distraught.
88:16 Your fierce wrath has gone over Me.
Your terrors have cut Me off.
88:17 they came around Me like water all day long.
they completely engulfed Me.
88:18 You have put lover and friend far from Me,
and My familiar friends are darkness.

The verses Before your highlight proves he is alive, awake in the grave, thanks Daniel
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My life draws near to Sheol.
88:4 I am counted among those who go down into the pit.
I am like a Man Who has no Help,
88:5 set apart among the dead,
like the slain who lie in the grave,
whom You remember no more.
they are cut off from Your hand.
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
 

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Gen 2:7 . .The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground

Gen 3:19 . . By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you
return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to
dust you will return.

The Hebrew word translated "dust" basically means clay, earth, and/or mud;
especially in a powdered form.

The word translated "ground" basically means dirt, i.e. soil.

So Adam wasn't created ex nihilo (out of nothing) rather, he was
constructed from existing materials; and not just him. All the animals that
live on land were constructed from dirt too. (Gen 1:24-25)

I'm not all that up on agriculture to discuss the nature of dirt, but I had this
pet radish in a little bowl of water on the kitchen counter that tried to
sprout. Well, it did sprout a little but the leaves and stems were pale and
anon they began to wilt. So I transplanted the radish in some potting soil
out on the patio exposed to the Sun and the open air and it immediately
began to get really green and crispy, and today it's thriving.

It's said that water is life. Well so is dirt; even badlands dirt supports life.
For example ocotillo bushes and saguaro cactus do just fine in desert soil
because all soils contain a certain amount of chemicals and minerals essential
to life. It's some really good stuff, right along with water and sunshine.
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..So Adam wasn't created ex nihilo (out of nothing) rather, he was
constructed from existing materials; and not just him. All the animals that
live on land were constructed from dirt too. (Gen 1:24-25)...
Yes, and interestingly Jesus restored a blind man's eyes by spitting in the dust to make a mud pie to smear on his eyes-

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We know He also taught how, "I only do what I see the Father do", with the implication He had visual revelation, meaning it wasn't just a random act with "magic mud".
best wishes:)