Some Truths Are Uncomfortable

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Revelation 21:8



Will try to get back to that after work.
Have a good day.

I've never liked the fear-factor approach to sharing the Gospel, but sometimes even the Lord utilized that avenue to shock some people into a semblance of reality.

Luke 16:19-23
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
20 "But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
21 "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

This topic was driven home to me this morning as I watched a typically negative news report about an 18 year old woman in Mississippi, whom the entire community saw as being a little angel, so nice, so loving, so pretty, and yet, in reality, so hooked on drugs, sex, and looking for "sugar daddy's" to take care of her as long as they provided her the drugs and parties to which she was addicted. The only problem was, one of her sugar daddy's murdered her.

The strong, emotional paradigm of presenting her main studio photo, surrounded by angels tooting their horns, the shampoo hippy Jesus looking toward her photo with adoring eyes, well-wishing cards wishing her the best in Heaven...etc. That's not to say that any mortal among us knows for sure her real fate in eternity, and that's not the thrust of this post.

What is before us, however, is the real danger that so many have placed themselves within, living for the pleasures of the world as if they were NOT going to die tonight, or tomorrow, next week... The real danger is everyone pretending that there's no doubt about the eternal fate of those who had lived for the devil up to the moment of death, and every one of those people envisioned as being in paradise with the Lord, even among surviving family members who intentionally avoid considering the alternative.

The enemy doesn't want those families getting more serious about talking with their remaining, lost children about Hell. The prospect of the dead child being in Hell as a result of a life lived in rejection of Christ, is something the enemy of our souls doesn't want to take place because it works...at least, in the lives of some!

So, to apply the numbing salve to the conscience of parents and friends, the perception of every one of those souls being in Heaven plays right into the devil's hands to ensure that any fear of Hell is not at all uttered. After all, the feelings of the family must be protected, right?

At what expense?

Eternity!

The willingness of so many to play that eternally deadly game, gambling the very souls of their own children and relatives, all on the basis of feelings...

That rich man in torment, as described in Luke 16 above, certainly didn't see any reason to sugar-coat the truth for the sake of feelings! He was dead serious about someone going before his kin and warning them that the place of torment is real, and so horrible that it must be avoided at all costs.

Do you see how perspective can have a total reversal that casts any regard for mere feelings into the trash, where it belongs, when the prospect of eternity comes into play? That's not to say that it's ok to trample feelings with utter disregard, but when weighing on the scales of importance, feelings end up being out-weighed by any and all prospects of eternity!

What say you?

MM

John 8:3-11, "8:3, "And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And having set her in the midst,"8:4, "they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery."8:5, "“And in the Torah Mosheh commanded us that such should be stoned. What then do You say?”"8:6, "And this they said, trying Him, so that they might accuse Him. But יהושע, bending down, wrote on the ground with the finger, as though He did not hear."8:7, "But as they kept on questioning Him, He straightened up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”"8:8, "And bending down again, He wrote on the ground."8:9, "And when they heard it, being reproved by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the older ones until the last. And יהושע was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle."8:10, "And יהושע, straightening up and seeing no one but the woman, said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Did no one condemn you?”"8:11, "And she said, “No one, Master.” And יהושע said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”

Leviticus 20:10-11, ‘And a man who commits adultery with the wife of another man, who commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor: the adulterer and the adulteress shall certainly be put to death.”

Where was the man that was committing adultery with this woman? The scribes and Pharisees did not include him but only the woman. The Law says “the adulterer and the adulteress shall certainly be put to death.” One can not commit adultery alone, it takes a man and a woman. Therefore without bringing the man also a legal case could not even be started. The accusers themselves were guilty because they were trying to enforce half of a Law, making themselves unreliable witnesses. So no Yahshua/Jesus did not change the Law at any time, the Law was not being followed by the scribes and Pharisees.

I've never liked the fear-factor approach to sharing the Gospel, but sometimes even the Lord utilized that avenue to shock some people into a semblance of reality.

Luke 16:19-23
19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
20 "But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
21 "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

This topic was driven home to me this morning as I watched a typically negative news report about an 18 year old woman in Mississippi, whom the entire community saw as being a little angel, so nice, so loving, so pretty, and yet, in reality, so hooked on drugs, sex, and looking for "sugar daddy's" to take care of her as long as they provided her the drugs and parties to which she was addicted. The only problem was, one of her sugar daddy's murdered her.

The strong, emotional paradigm of presenting her main studio photo, surrounded by angels tooting their horns, the shampoo hippy Jesus looking toward her photo with adoring eyes, well-wishing cards wishing her the best in Heaven...etc. That's not to say that any mortal among us knows for sure her real fate in eternity, and that's not the thrust of this post.

What is before us, however, is the real danger that so many have placed themselves within, living for the pleasures of the world as if they were NOT going to die tonight, or tomorrow, next week... The real danger is everyone pretending that there's no doubt about the eternal fate of those who had lived for the devil up to the moment of death, and every one of those people envisioned as being in paradise with the Lord, even among surviving family members who intentionally avoid considering the alternative.

The enemy doesn't want those families getting more serious about talking with their remaining, lost children about Hell. The prospect of the dead child being in Hell as a result of a life lived in rejection of Christ, is something the enemy of our souls doesn't want to take place because it works...at least, in the lives of some!

So, to apply the numbing salve to the conscience of parents and friends, the perception of every one of those souls being in Heaven plays right into the devil's hands to ensure that any fear of Hell is not at all uttered. After all, the feelings of the family must be protected, right?

At what expense?

Eternity!

The willingness of so many to play that eternally deadly game, gambling the very souls of their own children and relatives, all on the basis of feelings...

That rich man in torment, as described in Luke 16 above, certainly didn't see any reason to sugar-coat the truth for the sake of feelings! He was dead serious about someone going before his kin and warning them that the place of torment is real, and so horrible that it must be avoided at all costs.

Do you see how perspective can have a total reversal that casts any regard for mere feelings into the trash, where it belongs, when the prospect of eternity comes into play? That's not to say that it's ok to trample feelings with utter disregard, but when weighing on the scales of importance, feelings end up being out-weighed by any and all prospects of eternity!

What say you?

MM

Yeah, I've had a lot of grief with my dad who died in 2012.

One of my brothers who is Christian thinks dad is in heaven.

But dad didn't believe in Jesus. He rejected Jesus as God and Messiah.

The only thing is that does make me wonder though is he had a lot of peace in his last days and made peace with the concept of God allowing suffering. In the end he may have believed in Jesus.

He was going to churches since he was a toddler. But was taught by a minister (of all people) he didn't have to believe in Jesus to be Christian.

We may be too far into prophecy to keep teaching with kid gloves. My opinion is that most professed believers are biblically illiterate due to lack of sound teaching within the American Church. I don't know if common sense is related to discernment, if so there is little discerning go on. "Therefore my beloved, just as always you have obeyed, not only as in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Do you see what is coming?

The question is, what does it mean to be a "Christian"? There are so many today who call themselves "Christian" and yet believe in a christ completely unknown within the scriptures, but is rather a fabrication in the imaginations of mere men.

MM

The question is, what does it mean to be a "Christian"? There are so many today who call themselves "Christian" and yet believe in a christ completely unknown within the scriptures, but is rather a fabrication in the imaginations of mere men.

MM

As controversial as that sounds.. someone can be genuinely saved but following the world due to weeds growing up in their walk.

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Who lied that to you? That person is an ENEMY of God. Not biblical at all.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

A saved person can struggle in their walk it happens. People get caught up in sin..it happens.

God wants obedience and love from us after conversion but it's not guaranteed to happen.

We are commanded to follow after Jesus, but we gotta be converted first b4 we can do it.

How many biblical figures has trouble with sin? Many.

A saved person can struggle in their walk it happens. People get caught up in sin..it happens.

God wants obedience and love from us after conversion but it's not guaranteed to happen.

We are commanded to follow after Jesus, but we gotta be converted first b4 we can do it.

How many biblical figures has trouble with sin? Many.

However, the lost preachers as featured in the link about set about to establish their own righteousness. Today it's refered to as "virtue signaling", which is " look how virtuous WE ARE, because we provide a safe space of acceptance to the LGBTPEDO community. You Bible believers are HATERS so we hate YOU...Blah, blah, blah.!"
Love tells hateful preachers who is allowed to preach what

They reject the sacrifice of Christ as an inclusive afterthought....after their veneer of "love."

There are even serious sins that believers who are destined for heaven commit. Jesus addressed the sin of the church of Pergamos as accepting into their assembly those who teach the doctrine of Balaam, etc. He said that He hates that and He warned them to get rid of such scoundrels.

One more example of a saved believer who was guilty of serious sins was Lot in 2 Peter.


"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds."

We know that Sodom and Gomorrah were full of wicked reprobates that rejected the Lord so the Lord considered them rejects.

He nevertheless spared Lot and offered to do so for his entire family.

Lot was considered just and a righteousness man, not because he was an example of great morality, but because he believed the LORD and was saved eternally.

We could go on and on but your point is well taken and Biblical because you point to the Lord as the reason rather than the virtue signaling self righteousness as the reason. He trusted the LORD, the righteous one and it was accounted unto him for righteousness as was said of his uncle.

Thanks id appreciate it. Im not here to debate, im here to learn what you believe about it. To me it seems to say: People who do these things go to the lake of fire, UNLESS of course, they stop doing them.

Tell people to accept the gift of salvation by trusting in the work of Christ Jesus accomplished on our behalf.

Of course. But there must always be a balance when sharing the Gospel. This person will ask why he needs the gift of salvation. Which means one must first start with the Bible truths that (a) all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and (b) the wages of sin is death (which includes the second death). Hence the need for (1) repentance and (2) faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption.