Russia is preparing Cush and Put (the African Alliance) for the Ezekiel 38 War!

Are you referring to this scripture?
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.

- Revelation 13:11-14

I believe that Satan (The Antichrist) is this "another beast" that is mentioned.

I didn't know the red x could be overused.

I think it reminds me of teachers back in school. I was a fairly good student and red x always looked ugly to me. rofl.

Yes, that is the portion of scripture, but you ended it too soon.

The antichrist is "the first beast". Incidentally, a beast in prophecy is representative of a king and his kingdom.

The first beast mentioned in Revelation 13 is the one-world system. The second beast mentioned is Satan the AC.
Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.

- Revelation 13:2-14

Satan is both the second beast and the dragon. Satan goes under many names. Satan is the one who heals the one-world system's deadly wound and later ascends to power.

I am sorry, but what you said here simply is not true. In fact, I can guarantee you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that it is false.

I might be willing to provide you with irrefutable proof, but I really do not want to do so in a public forum. I have been down that road too many times before, and it never turns out well.

“Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, and as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.”
‭‭2 Samuel‬ ‭7:10-13‬ ‭

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭

Give me your proof, but only if it is God’s Word, @seekingthemindofChrist. Let’s discuss and study together with eyes and ears wide open. Thank you.

Hi, selah.

Of course, any proof that I would offer would pertain directly to God's Word. Additionally, in this case, seeing how we are discussing Bible prophecy, I would also offer historical proof. In other words, when it comes to Bible prophecy, we need to first properly understand what has actually been prophesied, and then we need to look for its fulfillment in either the past, the present, or the future, and that is where the historical aspect comes into play.

Having said all that, I do not believe that this thread is the place for such a discussion because that conversation would be off-topic.

Also, I know, from past experience on several different online venues, that this type of discussion is better had one on one. In other words, inevitably, a whole bunch of people start jumping in, and the two people who initially desired to have the conversation just get lost in the mix.

I might consider having this conversation with you through private messaging if you are good with that. Even then, it would need to wait a bit because I have already bitten off more than I can chew. In other words, between working on myself, working at my job, and presently seeking to help three different people with their problems/questions, I really do not have a lot of free time at my disposal right now, and I am also definitely very sleep deprived. In fact, I just finished telling someone here by means of private messaging that I almost passed out about 10 times on my ride home from work today because I am totally exhausted.

Never mind then. I get it.

Have been giving some thought to this response of yours. Assuming since you didn't include any texts, that you are referring to the prophecy of Dan. 12. Since you shared what you understand this prophecy to mean. I would like to share mine, and the reasoning in it's support. A heads up. This will be so far from what you believe you will shake your head, as I did over your interpretation. Nonetheless it is interesting to hear what other believe. Right?

My Bible has a heading at the beginning of this chapter that states,"The End Times." I believe it is a correct heading for which follows.

12:1,2) At that time Michael, the great prince [Christ in the form of an Angle, before He became man. Bear in mind this prophecy is given to Daniel centuries before Christ's birth] who protects your people, will arise. ["will arise", indicates the end of Christ Corporate intercession for the earth]. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nation until then. But at that time your people- everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life others to shame and everlasting contempt.

I have added these verses, because the wording leaves no doubt the prophecy is speaking of closing events near the return Of Christ, since the first resurrect is mentioned, in which some of Daniel' people shall be participants. This timing is important to understand. Because the, "time, times, and half a time/1260 days, 1290, and the 1335 days," are literal days and not day/years as many expositors have assumed in the past.

Note in vs.4, 9 Daniel is told that the prophecies he has been shown and writing out will be sealed until the time of the end. In other words God is going to obscure the true understanding of the book of Dan., until the time of the end, when those living at that time, who are searching the prophecies will the Holy Spirit reveal their true meaning.

In the last 40 yrs., four hermeneutics which govern how God put together the prophecies of both Dan. and Rev., have been discovered, of which earlier expositors had no knowledge. One of then has to do with timing. It is: Time is translated day/yr., if the span of time occurs within the operation of the Jubilee Calendar (1437B.C.-1994 A.D) otherwise time is literal..

Since (Dan. 12:1-13) is still in the future the time elements are all literal. Notice how vss. 11- 13, make perfect sense when we understand them to be literal. 11) from the time the daily sacrifice[the word, sacrifice is not found in the original texts, but was added by translators] "The Daily" in the earthly sanctuary had to do with corporate atonement conducted at the golden altar of incense within the Holy Place/first compartment, each morning and evening. It's atonements covered the sins of the whole nation, while many individuals within the nation had unconfessed sins that they weren't able to atone for because it was not their tribs turn to have access to the brazen altar in the outer court. Bear in mind there were thousands who needed to use the brazen altar. The Daily made it possible for sinners to live in the presence of a Holy God, without being consumed.

What this service was designed to teach, was that since the fall of Adam, Christ has been standing between the wrath of the Father and fallen man. But when He steps out of the way, then God's wrath will begin. (2Thes.2:7)

With this background information in mind. The Daily here in Dan. 12, is referring to the end of Christ corporate intersection for planet earth. This prophetic event is mentioned also in Rev.8:2-5, when it comes to and end, the trumpet judgements begin which starts the tribulation. The AOD will be the universal death decree of which Satan will implement, to kill all who refuse to take his mark/666. (Rev.13:14-16) The 1,290 literal days begins from end of the daily (which is the start of the tribulation), and takes us down to the universal death degree.

Verse 12, states: "Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days." Since this prophecy does not mention the seven last vial/bowl judgements does not mean they and not a part of closing events. They are as other prophecies clearly indicate. They are God's judgements poured out in full strength upon those having the, "Mark of the Beast/Satan. (Rev.14:9,10). This prophecy has but one starting event, "When Michael/Christ stands up," So the 1290 days are a subset of the 1335 days. We can then reason that the vial/bowl judgements will take 45 days.

For Christians understanding this prophecy, and living to see the beginning of the tribulation it will certainly be encouraging to know that it will only last 1335 literal days. And all who witness the 1335 day will certainly consider it a blessing to have endured still holding to the faith of Jesus.

Please note: the blessing is for those who, "waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days."
It's not possible that this can be day/yrs. as no human has ever lived that long. Too, at the end of, "those days/1335," Daniel will be resurrected along with all the righteous sleeping in their graves.

Please note in this interpretation how Christ is the focus, yours well...

As of today,Gog can't get past the little neighbor next door .Much less travel to Israel.Id say after he finds a way to get out of the mess he has gotten himself into in Ukraine ,it will take at least another 1000 years or so before he will be ready to try another adventure.

I see how you have to look at it to get your view of it. Christ is the focus, you say, and mine, "well...," you have to say I suppose in order to discredit my view. But....

You cannot discredit the possibility it is speaking in terms of 45 years, unless you limit the interpretation that, in your own teaching,
by excluding the possibility by adding an "if," as in
as "if" it were true.

yet, I am still here, enduring, even after 45 years... having avoided the plague of boils that emerged about the long ago... And if it is by God's grace that I did, then it isn't He that is taken out of the way....

I mean, really, who can take Him "out of the way"? And why would He have to "move out of the way" if He is that which guards His people? Is it so that they will be experiencing His wrath?

At any rate though, you were right that it was, well, not so much interesting, but helpful yes, to hear what you believe.

I mean, really, who can take Him "out of the way"? The Father

And why would He have to "move out of the way" if He is that which guards His people? So that the earth can receive the Fathers wrath, First, 1/3, of His cup, then the full cup during the vial judgements.

Is it so that they will be experiencing His wrath? Correct.

When The Father convened a heavenly convocation in 1798, a searched of the universe was made and found that only Jesus was found worthy to take over His throne, and then given sovereign power of which He/Jesus did not poses prior to that time. He was bestowed the title, King of Kings, Lord of Lords. (Rev. 4&5; Dan. 7:9-28) Why? In a nut shell. Since only the Father is all knowing, He had predetermined events, before the creation of man, on just how sins drama will end, in order to gather in the greatest harvest of saints, exonerate the God Head of any wrong doing, while proving that God is Love. Because the judgement of the dead must be completed before the coming of Christ, the Father had long ago appointed Christ as our High Priest to cleanse the true tabernacle in heaven of the record of sin. Too, the living must be judged. The tribulation is designed to force the living in deciding wither they shall worship Santan or Christ. In order for the Tribulation to begin, as I stated earlier, the Father requires that Christ step aside from ministering corporate atonement, so that His wrath can be poured out upon the earth.

Rev. 8&9 reveal the trumpet judgements. Note the usage of, "One Third," During these judgements only one-third of God's wrath will be poured out upon the earth. Why, These judgements are designed to put the survivors( faithful/unfaithfu both) on notice that the end of life as we know is has come to and end. During these judgements the three angles messages of Rev. 14 will be given, as salvation is still available. There is no other way possible for God to get the attention of all mankind, in order that the gospel will go out to all
the world before the end comes. (Mat. 24:14)

Following the trumpet judgements the seven last vials/bowl judgement are poured out in full strength upon those choosing to take Satan's mark. Hence while they were still living they passed judgement upon themselves. (Rev. 14:9)

Apocalyptic prophecy to date, having windows of time, have been correctly translated day/yr. and proven correct by historical facts. We know that future prophecies cannot be translated in that way as it would put the Bible in a state of conflict. Example: Dan. 12:12. Should the thousand yrs. of Rev. 20, be translated into day/yrs.? The day/yr., reckoning of time was used in the Jubilee Calendar of which God gave the nation of Israel. It is the bases of the seventy week prophecy of Dan. 9. Have you any understanding of this?

Are you referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:7? If so, what’s your understanding of this verse?

Gog and Magog

Rev. 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The Father predetermined long ago that when the thousand years are over, He will resurrect the wicked at the end of sin’s drama. First, the Father wants every sinner to see the reality of the Holy City and the joy of eternal life that the saints will enjoy. Second, the Father wants every sinner to have a meeting with Jesus so that Jesus can explain why He could not grant them eternal life. Finally, the Father wants each sinner to consider the tremendous effort He made to save the lost. The Father wants the story of redemption to be told so that each sinner will realize what true love is, what it has accomplished, and what it must do. Once these steps are accomplished, every wicked person will understand God did not determine that person’s eternal fate. Instead, each sinner determined his or her own fate. Every sinner will kneel before Jesus admitting that He has been generous and fair beyond measure.

The phrase “Gog and Magog” is borrowed from Ezekiel 38 and 39 and it is important to understand why it is used in Rev.20. The end of sin under Plan A runs parallel to the end of sin under Plan B. Under Plan A (old covenant), the end of sin and sinners would have occurred when Lucifer (Gog) and his forces (Magog: the nations aligned with him) would have come up against Jerusalem to destroy the holy city. Under Plan A, God would have brought Lucifer’s conquest to an end by sending fire down from Heaven.(Ez. 38:22; 39:6,7) Under Plan B (new covenant), a similar event will occur. When the wicked discover there is no possibility of survival, the devil and his forces will be released. They will prey on the wicked and rally them to attack the Holy City, New Jerusalem, but fire will devour them, vs.9,10.

Did Gog/Russia of whom many interpret in (Rev. 20:7-9) exist in the time of Ezekiel? What specification does prophecy give that leads you to interpret, "Gog," as Russia?

Another thought. Since prophecy reveals that New Jerusalem will come down out of Heaven after a thousand years while the earth has been desolate, and the wicked from all over the earth are resurrected, along with Satan being lossed from his prison. Too, face the Great White Throne Judgement. Does it not make sense then that their could not be any former nations as we know them today that exist? Then doesn't it stand to reason then that Gog/Satan and his allies/magog/wicked from these former nations gather to destroy New Jerusalem?

I understand it that the restrainer isn't the lawless one, but it is the lawless one that is taken out of the way.

Take a look at it with regard to the grammatical? rule of pronouns relative to the word "he."...

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.

Who does the pronoun "he" refer back to the subject of the sentence, of the clause? or back to the subject initially introduced? In verse

6 And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. There's the first mention of that "he."

And in the following verse 8 confirms who "he" is.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

Verse 6 speaks of "he" being revealed at the proper time, and verse 8 speaks of when (that is, the proper time), "by the majesty of His (the Lord Jesus') arrival," so how can the former "he" be taken out of the way at the same time of the Lord's arrival if "he" is, indeed, the Lord?