Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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It's not just about Trump either. Though they poll low and now it is clear that Trump is the nominee, take note that Senator Tim Scott and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley also did strongly and showed themselves to be of merit for high position in a team, a group effort and Trump administration in 2024 that is capable of saving America from the extremely dangerous and precarious economic, social, and foreign policy disaster that the wicked Democrats have caused or exacerbated. There is still much merit in continuing to watch and though Trump's lead is commanding, keep an eye out for useful talent that can make a full administration that is approved by God for after the elections are over to make a dream team of all-star heroes to Save America and Praise Jesus!


 
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It is clear it is a dark and perilous time and the Devil through his servants the Democrat Party have laid the once beautiful nation low and the people are corrupted by them, immoralized, demoralized, faithless, and they launguish under the corruption of the liberals, but those with the strong faith will stand up to Satan's servants and still do exploits to praise Jesus. HAVE FAITH IN GOD! TRUMP 2024 PRAISE JESUS!
 

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Again, mammon worship, cheating workers, self-idolatry, abandoning the poor sick and foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy are NOT Christian values.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self control. There is none of that going on in the maga circle.

Your boy trump WILL win in '24.

Just don't be fooled by who he works for.
 
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I can’t believe the spineless way the other candidates are acting.They are acting like a dog at the dinner table waiting for crumbs.Trump even call them clowns.😂
 

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Of course there are things that would disqualify Trump. But we have already seen the illegal lengths that the left has gone to try to make sure he wasn't elected and, once elected, to make him ineffective. All this while covering up real crimes by its own side.

I wonder if you would share why you dislike him so much. Is it his braggadocio or some other reason?

Despite his obvious character flaws, he was a very effective President and helped most Americans.
I dont live in your country but it is beyond me why so many christians worship the guy. No man is going to fix any country. They are all the same, all corrupt in some way. The only time we are going to have someone perfect in charge is when Jesus returns and with the way the earth is heading it's not too far away.
I don’t live in your country either but the word says you’ll know them by their fruits. I don’t see the fruits of the spirit in Trump.
 

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I don’t live in your country either but the word says you’ll know them by their fruits. I don’t see the fruits of the spirit in Trump.
Which political figure running for President do you see the fruit of the Spirit in? And which past Presidents did you see fruit in?
 

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Which political figure running for President do you see the fruit of the Spirit in? And which past Presidents did you see fruit in?
there's never been a savior in DC, and (as Voddie says), God's not runnin' for God. :cool:
 

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What I'm really curious to know is why Christian nationalists hate it so much when they think the government is interfering with their lives, but don't seem to have any problem at all interfering in government.
 

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What I'm really curious to know is why Christian nationalists hate it so much when they think the government is interfering with their lives, but don't seem to have any problem at all interfering in government.
We can't interfere in government...we the people are the government.
 

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I dont live in your country but it is beyond me why so many christians worship the guy. No man is going to fix any country. They are all the same, all corrupt in some way. The only time we are going to have someone perfect in charge is when Jesus returns and with the way the earth is heading it's not too far away.
Leaders can have a tremendous impact for good.

It is about what Trump stands for/symbolizes which people are attracted to, not that he is worshiped that is just your bias and perception, some

As well this attitude/belief that Jesus is going to return and fix everything abdicating our role as salt and light, of not using good judgement and discernment is one of the reasons the USA is polarized and a society in decline.

These are not the end times.
 

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These are not the end times.
Wow, a prophet. Is this based on the Bible or a direct word from an angel to you? Are you hearing voices?
 

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We're addressing his bad character and criminal behaviour.
The allegations have not been proven in a court of law.

"Bad character" is ambiguous and rather an infantile way of speaking about a person in a leadership position.
 

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Wow, a prophet. Is this based on the Bible or a direct word from an angel to you? Are you hearing voices?
How about Scripture being the source of truth, it is quite obvious if one actually studies the book rather than listen to Tim Lahaye, John Hagee, Johnathon Cahn et al.,
 

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How about Scripture being the source of truth, it is quite obvious if one actually studies the book rather than listen to Tim Lahaye, John Hagee, Johnathon Cahn et al.,
I don't listen to those people and I do study the scriptures. I would like to know your Biblical basis to make such a statement.
 

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I don't listen to those people and I do study the scriptures. I would like to know your Biblical basis to make such a statement.
I look for several things to know whether or not we could be in the end times.

1. The Jews returning to Israel in my understanding of scripture defines the terminal generation, ie the end times.

2. However, we cannot have the tribulation unless the Jews can rebuild the temple within a year or two. It takes a certified Red Heifer to do that and they must be three years old before being sacrificed. In all of human history the Jews have only had 10 certified Red heifers. However, they do have one now that will be ready to sacrifice this coming Passover.

3. There must be a covenant that is confirmed for seven years with the many at the start of the seven year tribulation. Most eschatologists believe the seven year tribulation will begin with the Feast of trumpets. Which is in September when the UN opens each year. in 2015 Agenda 2030 was a covenant that was made and it will be confirmed this September over the Feast of Trumpets for seven years. They are planning on strengthening the covenant by controlling what people can buy or sell with a digital currency.

4. Along these lines they would need the technology to implement the mark of the beast which is done shortly after the seven year tribulation begins. To do that you would need a super powerful computer, say a quantum computer, you would need to blanket the earth with satellites, say the Starlink system, and you would need to have a digital currency, say the CBDC, and you would need to have the technology to inject this under the skin, say RFID. Therefore I see all these things as a sign that we are in the end times.

5. The Beast is another thing I would expect to see rising. People likened it to TV, but the image is interactive, it can speak. So I think AI and DeepFake is much more similar to what the Bible refers to. However, that is simply the propaganda arm of the beast, it also has an army that people say no one can fight against. That to me sounds like neuralink connecting soldiers to a central server via AI. Another sign that we are in the end days.
 

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I look for several things to know whether or not we could be in the end times.

1. The Jews returning to Israel in my understanding of scripture defines the terminal generation, ie the end times.

2. However, we cannot have the tribulation unless the Jews can rebuild the temple within a year or two. It takes a certified Red Heifer to do that and they must be three years old before being sacrificed. In all of human history the Jews have only had 10 certified Red heifers. However, they do have one now that will be ready to sacrifice this coming Passover.

3. There must be a covenant that is confirmed for seven years with the many at the start of the seven year tribulation. Most eschatologists believe the seven year tribulation will begin with the Feast of trumpets. Which is in September when the UN opens each year. in 2015 Agenda 2030 was a covenant that was made and it will be confirmed this September over the Feast of Trumpets for seven years. They are planning on strengthening the covenant by controlling what people can buy or sell with a digital currency.

4. Along these lines they would need the technology to implement the mark of the beast which is done shortly after the seven year tribulation begins. To do that you would need a super powerful computer, say a quantum computer, you would need to blanket the earth with satellites, say the Starlink system, and you would need to have a digital currency, say the CBDC, and you would need to have the technology to inject this under the skin, say RFID. Therefore I see all these things as a sign that we are in the end times.

5. The Beast is another thing I would expect to see rising. People likened it to TV, but the image is interactive, it can speak. So I think AI and DeepFake is much more similar to what the Bible refers to. However, that is simply the propaganda arm of the beast, it also has an army that people say no one can fight against. That to me sounds like neuralink connecting soldiers to a central server via AI. Another sign that we are in the end days.
We will know for sure if this Agenda 2030 is the covenant that Daniel refers to beforehand because I subscribe to the pre tribulation rapture. If there is a pre tribulation rapture before this Feast of Trumpets then we'll know this is it. Also you don't need to worry if you aren't ready, Jesus tells those who aren't ready to go and buy oil from those who sell (the two witnesses) and the Feast of New Oil is also the same weekend as the Feast of Trumpets.
 

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I look for several things to know whether or not we could be in the end times.

1. The Jews returning to Israel in my understanding of scripture defines the terminal generation, ie the end times.

2. However, we cannot have the tribulation unless the Jews can rebuild the temple within a year or two. It takes a certified Red Heifer to do that and they must be three years old before being sacrificed. In all of human history the Jews have only had 10 certified Red heifers. However, they do have one now that will be ready to sacrifice this coming Passover.

3. There must be a covenant that is confirmed for seven years with the many at the start of the seven year tribulation. Most eschatologists believe the seven year tribulation will begin with the Feast of trumpets. Which is in September when the UN opens each year. in 2015 Agenda 2030 was a covenant that was made and it will be confirmed this September over the Feast of Trumpets for seven years. They are planning on strengthening the covenant by controlling what people can buy or sell with a digital currency.

4. Along these lines they would need the technology to implement the mark of the beast which is done shortly after the seven year tribulation begins. To do that you would need a super powerful computer, say a quantum computer, you would need to blanket the earth with satellites, say the Starlink system, and you would need to have a digital currency, say the CBDC, and you would need to have the technology to inject this under the skin, say RFID. Therefore I see all these things as a sign that we are in the end times.

5. The Beast is another thing I would expect to see rising. People likened it to TV, but the image is interactive, it can speak. So I think AI and DeepFake is much more similar to what the Bible refers to. However, that is simply the propaganda arm of the beast, it also has an army that people say no one can fight against. That to me sounds like neuralink connecting soldiers to a central server via AI. Another sign that we are in the end days.
Let's consider the odds of these prophecies being fulfilled using Bayesian analysis.

1. Israel returning as a nation after 70AD and being scattered for almost 2,000 years. Seems almost impossible. But the prophecy is even more incredible, it says it will be done in a single day and sure enough it was done by a UN vote in a single day. How could anyone more than 2,000 years ago predicted that, but wait, it is even more incredible. Jesus referred to them as the Fig tree generation! Israel's national tree is an olive tree. The Fig tree refers to Adam and Eve sinning in the garden and covering themselves with fig leaves. The UN wanted to make up for the holocaust by giving the Jews Israel. But wait, it gets even more incredible than that, Ezekiel is asked if these dry bones can live again? After WW2 we saw pictures of people walking out of the concentration camps looking like skeletons coming back to life and coming together to form this nation. But wait, there is more. Jesus said to learn the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. Israel was not the only nation to be formed at this time, there were four or five nations formed in the middle east, all with national trees. I would say the odds of this prophecy are 1,000,000,000 to 1.

2. If Israel has had over 2,000 years of history from Moses to the present and during that time they have only had 10 certified Red Heifers I would put the odds of having one at 200:1

3. This prophecy about confirming or strengthening a covenant for seven years is quite remarkable. First of all the idea of having to confirm it with the many was incredible, this was during a time when the Babylonian empire was ruled by one man. The idea of the UN was completely foreign and in more than 4,000 years of human history we have only had a functioning UN for less than 80 years. Therefore I will give the odds on this 50:1. But there is more, he didn't say "makes a covenant for 7 years" but confirms it. I suspect that confirming a covenant that is already made is rare. But being specific about it being confirmed for 7 years is extremely rare. For example, the British leased Hong Kong from China for a 100 years. When the time was coming for the lease to be up I can imagine the Chinese wanting the British to confirm that they would hand it over. However that would not be confirming it "with the many" nor do I think they "confirmed it for seven years". So again, I will say odds are 10:1. But then this word confirms actually can be translated "strengthens". So even though you might want assurances that a covenant will be kept, strengthening the covenant is probably less common, so let's say 2:1. This means the odds on this prophecy would be 50x10X2 = 1,000:1

4. If we look at the technology required to implement the mark of the beast it would be the first time in 6,000 years that humans have had all the technology required to do this. Therefore I'd say the odds on this is 1,000:1.

5. Likewise with AI, deep fakes, and neuralink. Again, I'd say the odds are 1,000:1

To calculate the odds of all five being fulfilled at the same time you simply multiply these numbers together:

1,000,000,000 x 200 x 1,000 x 1,000 x 1,000 = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 : 1

Therefore the odds that the tribulation is upon us is
200,000,000,000,000,000,000 : 1

or 200 quintillion to 1. (The Milky Way Galaxy is a quintillion meters wide, so this is like the width of 200 Milky way galaxies compared to 1 meter if 1 meter represents the size of a human brain).
 

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What I'm really curious to know is why Christian nationalists hate it so much when they think the government is interfering with their lives, but don't seem to have any problem at all interfering in government.
2 Timothy 2:3-4 Join me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. A soldier refrains from entangling himself in civilian affairs.

Christians pushing Christian nationalism is like when the Jews demanded God give them a earthly kings. I don't recall that working out so well for them.