Desiring the truth vs. loving the truth

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Aaron56

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It's really a matter of being in touch with reality. Our desire may tell us we want truth, and we may think we have truth; but unless our mind is solidly grounded in reality, the truth we think we have may actually be shifting sand. So we must love truth and reality as well.
So, you added “loving reality” to loving the truth. What is your definition of “reality”?

And how do ”desiring the truth” and “loving the truth” differ?
 
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FollowingtheWay

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#22
I hate chess and I hate guessing games. If you'd rather post scripture than discuss the topic that's okay; but you'll have to do it with someone else.
ok. Are you familiar with
Ordo Amoris or the right ordering of loves

Are perhaps the loves simply not properly ordered in the Christians of which you speak?
 

Magenta

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So, you added “loving reality” to loving the truth. What is your definition of “reality”?

And how do ”desiring the truth” and “loving the truth” differ?
I see a distinction in that people could be and/or are seeking truth while at the same time rejecting Biblical Truth.

They do not know or understand that they are one and the same and embodied in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Some may have some sort of affinity with Jesus and accept He was a good person (etc) while
rejecting everything else about Him due to His close association with the God of Scriptures,
which they reject along with organized religion in general and Christianity in particular.
 

JaumeJ

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That is a false number based on an egregious misunderstanding.

That misunderstanding gets thrown around as if it were truth when it is not.
Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are
nowhere close to 45,000 denominations. Many of these groups are merely subgroups
of larger denominational groups such as Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, or Baptists.


Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:

Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford
University Press, 1982). Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. Still, not all of them are Protestants.
According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).


However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines
"distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group.
The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.


Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually
mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."


Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced
at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."
source
I was wondering about that. Thank you for the product of your research. God bless you, professor...
 

Cameron143

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I was wondering about that. Thank you for the product of your research. God bless you, professor...
I just hope that now that she is a Professor she will still talk to us little people.
 

Nehemiah6

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I see a distinction in that people could be and/or are seeking truth while at the same time rejecting Biblical Truth
Why would anyone be trying such a futile exercise? You can either love the truth, and make every effort to find the truth, and hold fast to it, or you can pretend you want the truth by trying to accommodate man-made and humanistic ideas at the same time.

Let's take the example of John Calvin. He knew the truth since it is evident in his commentaries. But he was not content to hold fast to the truth no matter what others were teaching. So then he modified the truth to accommodate Reformed Theology. But absolutely no one will admit to this, or even bring it up.
 
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Ruby123

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The problem is everybody thinks they know the truth and anybody who does not agree with them is being deceived or part of a cult. Those who spend much time studying scripture even looking up greek/hebrew words demand recognition and attention and so it goes on. Look at the bible discussion threads as evidence. The thing is if they spent less time studying scripture and more time doing Gods word eg helping others in need I am sure that God would be more pleased.
 

Magenta

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Why would anyone be trying such a futile exercise?
They are blinded, and do not personally know, nor do they fear, God, which is the
beginning of wisdom. That is the Biblical reason. Why do you not know this?
.:oops:
 

Edify

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I believe a lot of people who are deceived and follow after false doctrine truly do desire the truth.
Herein lies the problem.
Many who are "seekers" are not seeking real truth, they're seeking something NEW.
This is why the televangelists have to come up with something new every once in a while to keep their members satisfied.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I believe a lot of people who are deceived and follow after false doctrine truly do desire the truth. However, desiring the truth and loving truth are two different things. When someone desperately desires the truth, but without a love for the truth, they're vulnerable to every kind of manipulation and deception out there.
Amen and also brother sometimes as people hear the truth , they don’t love what it’s telling them and never embrace it

Not everyone who sees the light will come to it sometimes we prefer darkness because it doesnt expose us

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God knows all but he doesn’t like it when we hide from his presence to conceal sin . Sometimes we aren’t done sinning and so we hear repentance and we don’t love that idea is what I mean fifty years ago I didn’t really hear this I wasn’t ready

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i didn’t realize it u til later in life but I was avoiding letting that question and lesson into my heart , I was still wrapped up in the world then