Religious bigots and your understanding

SteveEpperson · Jul 11, 2023

No, I said there's NO room for bigotry here. Let me give you another scripture to prove it:

If you've never read this passage, it's Jesus speaking:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one. John 10:27-30

When Jesus says that he gives eternal life, he is saying that he has the power to do it, the same power as the Father. Then he makes an even bolder claim that he and Father God are one. Jesus is claiming to be God here. If you don't believe this and think he's a liar, then admit it. But don't make up some religion saying that you believe in Jesus but that you don't believe he's God. For over 100 years, we've seen right through this facade.

Face it, friend, the one who has you in his grasp has already been defeated. You may as well come over to the winning team.

Locoponydirtman · Jul 11, 2023

Fundaamental said:

The irony in this post; image someone creates a thread that is nothing more than an accusation, then asserts that others should not make accusations.
To accuse those who believe in the objective truth of the word of God of biggotry, then call the exposers of the attack the attacker is very dishonest.

The_Watchers_2017 · Jul 11, 2023

my post is coming to fruition. 2 following posts have been OPEN REBUKES!

SteveEpperson · Jul 11, 2023

Fundaamental said:

I'm so glad you feel that way. Here is more of the word for us both:

God said to Moses, I am who I am. And he said, Say this to the people of Israel, I am has sent me to you. Exodus 3:14

Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

Fundaamental · Jul 11, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

I replied to your first post in this thread, which was an accusation.

I'm now replying to a nother accusation, which is an escalation of your first accusation.

I'm not going to entertain this much further,

Either you want to contribute or you don't,

Simple

Locoponydirtman · Jul 11, 2023

I am unreasonable, and immovable, in my belief and faith in the unquestionable truth of the word of God, as presented to us in scripture.
If that makes me a biggot, ok then. I dont know why i should concern myself with the whingings of and frothing of the mouth of any who come against the word of God. Mere stubble.

Fundaamental · Jul 11, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

seems youve took the op personal.

I can't see why you would.

I can see other have took it as an opportunity to discuss there faith.

So moving on 😉

Locoponydirtman · Jul 11, 2023

Fundaamental said:

The OP was an accusation. My response was to call it what it is. Your responses to being exposed are an attempt to destableized and flip the narrative. The attacker posing as a defender.

Locoponydirtman · Jul 11, 2023

Fundaamental said:

They decided to defend the faith, which is commendable.
I decided to defend the faithful also commendable.
You dont like it?

The_Watchers_2017 · Jul 11, 2023

Fundaamental said:

to what, hypocrisy?

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2023

Magenta said:

Amen often the ot presents a mystery and the New Testament reveals it as an answer

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬

let us make man (singular ) in our image ( plural ) in man is the image of all three aspects in one like Jesus is all three aspects manifest as one

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭

all of Gods three aspects together on one body of our lord Jesus Christ who himself is the fulness of God manifest in our sight

notice in the gospel Jesus speaks as a plural and also makes the point I am one with my father , if you’ve seen me you’ve seen him if you know me you know him “

If God who is invisible and wasn’t known wanted to reveal himself to mankind he may just stepmo to thier world in thier own form so they can meet and begin to hear and know him for who he really is

Jesus our Lord

Locoponydirtman · Jul 11, 2023

Satan doesnt attack the word of God its a losing prospect for him. He attacks the believers, to discredit them and to derail their faith. Those attacks usually come in ad hominems and epithets like bigot.
It is Satan that accuses the brethren, night and day.

VARob · Jul 11, 2023

PennEd said:

No, Jesus Christ is not God. As Jesus said, his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3).

I have made several posts recently about it, and provided many scripture supporting my position. I know that might put my membership here on thin ice, and whie I would rather not be banned, if it happens, it happens.

PennEd · Jul 11, 2023

VARob said:

Thank you for your candor.

Nehemiah6 · Jul 11, 2023

VARob said:

That is just blatant heresy. Which means that you have "another Jesus". One created out of your own imagination. You might ad well join the Muslims and the unsaved Jews who also reject the deity of Christ (as do several cults).

VARob · Jul 11, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

Thanks for your thoughts.

Where does THE BIBLE teach, say, or describe that God is a Trinity?

I can show you what the Bible DOES teach, say, and describe.

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I believe in that ^^^ Jesus.

And your attempts to associate me with unbelieving Jews or Muslems are misplaced.

John 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

I believe that ^^^ from the depths of my soul. Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to salvation.

The_Watchers_2017 · Jul 11, 2023

he believes everything in the Bible about God except this one Verse and portion of another:

Titus 2:
13 waiting for ... the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us

HeIsHere · Jul 11, 2023

VARob said:

Thanks for your thoughts.

Where does THE BIBLE teach, say, or describe that God is a Trinity?

I can show you what the Bible DOES teach, say, and describe.

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I believe in that ^^^ Jesus.

And your attempts to associate me with unbelieving Jews or Muslems are misplaced.

John 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

I believe that ^^^ from the depths of my soul. Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to salvation.

One can believe Jesus was fully God and fully human and not believe that God is a trinity as three distinct persons.

Conflating concepts of trinity with the deity of Christ does not help your argument.

Lanolin · Jul 11, 2023

seems things are lost in translation again

One person believes Jesus is our Lord and saviour.
The other believes Jesus is God

which one is right?

Doesnt the anti-Christ deny that Jesus ever came in the flesh?

1 John 2:22?

VARob · Jul 11, 2023

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