Pre-Trib/Mid/Post Trib? We will know for sure (?) in a couple months

Those who have discernment are aware that 2030 is a very high likelihood the year of our Lord's return.
(Messiah2030 youtube video (and others) do a good a job of laying out the typologies and foreshadowing of this event.)

I AM NOT SAYING THAT 100% DEFINITIVELY, THAT JESUS IS RETURNING IN 2030.

But, let's just assume for the sake of this thread that 2030 is the year of the 2nd coming.

For pre-tribulation believers, that makes this year, 2023 a very special and high watch year. If we know that the end of the age is to be in 2030 then all we have to do is subtract 7 years to bring us to the year of the rapture.

What I, and many other pre-tribbers believe, is that we are to be removed, that who restrains the anti-christ, before he can appear on the world stage. We know that there is a 7-year covenant that he must sign AFTER our removal.

Well, interestingly enough, a 7 year deal is on the docket at an upcoming UN summit in September (just after the feast of trumpets). This COULD be, and most likely is the covenant spoken of Daniel the prophet in Daniel 9:27. https://www.un.org/en/desa/we-need-7-years-accelerated-transformative-action-achieve-sdgs

If it is, then the pre-trib rapture people will be correct, and if not, and we are sure this upcoming 7 year deal is the covenant, then we will know the tribulation has begun.

These are VERY exciting times, my friends. It's time to fish or cut bait.

I kind of all hinges on the 2nd coming ....If we knew that (which we don't, only God knows Mat 24:36) then, as you said, we could be fairly certain of the year of the gathering together unto Him. Until the we just walk in that resurrection perfection and look forward each day with the hope instilled in our hearts.

What do we know about the third temple being built in Jerusalem? To the best of my knowledge that is still up in the air. And unless that temple is built the other prophecies cannot move forward. See Matthew 24:15.

The Temple does not have to be built before the rapture or before the trib starts. It could be built in the early part of the seven years. The first part of Daniel's 70th week may not be that bad... The covenant will be confirmed, and a lot of people will be pleased with it. They'll be thinking "peace and safety"...

Guessers have so far had a dismal 100% Failure rate, so probably best is to keep
"looking, watching, and patiently waiting" for our ( Imminent ) Blessed Hope!
Always being "prepared for Judgment," after:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

pre-wrath

Yes, the pre-trib rapture will definitely happen pre-wrath.

hahahaha

I seriously can't wait for 2023 to be over and you and everyone else who are saying this are proven wrong. You say in bold type: I AM NOT SAYING THAT 100% DEFINITIVELY, THAT JESUS IS RETURNING IN 2030. But that's exactly what you're saying. You have to throw that in so when it doesn't happen you'll have an out. If you were a true prophet you wouldn't need an escape hatch.

Alot seems to be pointing to 2030, so the next few years leading up to it should be interesting to say the least. As to when the rapture occurs, nobody knows. I have had some interesting dreams about it over the past few years. One even pointed to the year 2026 for rapture. As to whether they were from God or my imagination I do not know. I suspect now mocking from people who find the need to reply to my post mocking and a collection of red crosses but it's ok I have pretty thick skin.

Can you tell me the different between being sure 100% something will happen, and then being excited that something could happen? You seem to think they're the same thing. Please tell me

So you are an Imminentist, a Blessed hoper my well respected brother

We might as easily say Antichrist is imminent, we have no blessed hope of that but chronologically he does come first. Whatever temple they will build in Jerusalem will be for him. There is so much agitation going on in Israel in the hearts and minds of Jewish people.

The Arabs have got to be cleared out of Jerusalem before they can build a temple. Everything points [to me] towards a last final attempt by the Arab nations to destroy the Jews. Together with Russia and N. Africa and of course Iran.

Ezekiel 38. is like reading next year's [or so] newspaper to me.

The great tribulation must be understood as the great and awful persecution which is going to come in the last times and it is to come upon the church.

I am a true lone voice. One crying in the wilderness. My message to the church is

If you want to survive get underground NOW. The Great Persecution aka The Great Tribulation is about to begin.

The most visible expressions of religion will be the first to perish.

what do you mean by getting underground?

Cell groups house church, like the churches of Acts.

Tell me the difference between something might happen and knowing it's a very high likelihood.

I guess I just don't have the discernment you do.

Well, selahsays that the Antichrist comes before the Second Coming of our Messiah. Here’s why:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)

still waiting for you to tell me where I said I know 100% this will happen. Are you done lying yet? In fact I said the exact opposite and I prefaced my whole premise on that line that you intentionally and belligerently took out of context.

Okay. I said what I said and I stand by it. If you think I'm lying then so be it. Have a blessed day.

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well what else can I call it but a lie? Nowhere did I say I know 100% the rapture is coming this year or that in 2030 Jesus is coming back, but you accused me in front of everyone of doing just that. I dont like that.