The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trump, the last trump, after Satan has been standing in Jerusalem claiming he is God.

PART I

The world is not expecting Christ to literally return to earth “with power and great glory”. But those who believe God and Christ, and believe what the Bible has to say do not doubt this. And the Second Coming may be much closer than we think. But the Rapture precedes the Second Coming of Christ. That is a divine necessity.

Jesus said this in His Olivet Discourse: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30 cf Mark 13:26)

When we read just this verse several questions come to mind:
1. What is “then” in reference to?
2. What is the “sign of the Son of Man”?
3. Which “heaven” is involved here?
4. Why will “all the tribes of the earth mourn”?
5. Why will absolutely everyone see Christ at His Coming?
6. What are “the clouds of heaven”?
7. What is this “power and great glory”?

1. What is “then” in reference to?
We simply need to go back to verse 29 to see what must happen before Christ comes, and it is truly devastating: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. This is speaking about earth-shaking cataclysmic cosmic events which will immediately precede the Second Coming, and are described in the 6th Seal of Revelation.

2. What is the “sign of the Son of Man”?
This is described in verse 27: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. There will be a supernatural brightness or brilliance in the sky -- akin to lightning -- but far more intense. The sky will be lit up all across the globe in a manner never seen before, because Christ will be coming in the full brightness of His glory (as seen at the Transfiguration, and other times).

3. Which “heaven” is involved here?
Since the sky is in the “first” heaven or atmospheric heaven, this is the heaven in which Christ will be seen by all the inhabitants of the world.

4. Why will “all the tribes of the earth mourn”?
The nations of the earth will mourn because they are now facing terrible divine judgment and wrath (Jude 1:14,15). This is described in Revelation 6:12-17: 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

5. Why will absolutely everyone see Christ at His Coming?
Every eye shall see Him, because every knee must bow to Christ, and unbelieving Jews (“they which pierced Him”) must see their true Messiah and King. We have two key passages which are related to this: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phil 2:9-11 cf Rom 14:11). In Isaiah 45:22,23, it is God who speaks this about Himself, therefore that is more confirmation that Jesus is God: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

You are stating "Scripture say" like I am not quoting from scripture.. take a look at the following page and see how that majority of translations use what I wrote before: https://biblehub.com/john/20-17.htm

Example of New King James:
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Also, if Christ ascended to the Father that day and came back the same day, then the 2nd coming of Christ would be already past..

Also consider Hebrews 9...

"but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption."

25 "Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own."

Also there are many references to Christ sitting at the right hand of God after His ascension, but none regarding other ideas.. until His millenial reign of course..

There are many who believe that the last trump is the 7th trumpet, but that is not really the case. The last trump (also called the "trump of God") is for SALVATION. It is to summon the saints home to Heaven. But the 7th trumpet is for DAMNATION. It is to announce the most severe judgments of the wrath of God.

The same principle applies to the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. The Resurrection/Rapture is the culmination of SALVATION. The Second Coming is the culmination of DAMNATION.

Also, Christ does NOT return immediately after the Abomination of Desolation and the Antichrist claiming to be God in the temple at Jerusalem. There are many events which intervene until the Second Coming of Christ.

[note: I'll be commenting on the portions I put in BLUE, in your quote ^ ]




The text actually reads:

"ye who are troubled rest with us IN THE REVELATION [noun] OF the Lord Jesus from heaven with His mighty angels
in flaming fire INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON them that know not God and..." which is actually referring to this occurring over a period of time (not in one instant / moment of time / point in time):


--"with His MIGHTY angels"... think: "7 angels with 7 Trumpets" and "7 angels with 7 Vials" (over the course of SOME TIME--a period of time of JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth);


--"IN FLAMING FIRE"... think (and compare): same language used in Lam2:3-4 "in flaming fire" which context speaks to judgment over a PERIOD OF TIME (see also Hab1:6,12 "... O LORD, thou hast ordained them [the Chaldeans / Babylonians] for judgment [/to execute judgment]; and O mighty God, thou hast established them [the Chaldeans / Babylonians] for correction." Speaking of a substantial period of time; God used the Babylonians as His instrument of judgment upon Israel--and not merely in "one moment" of time, but over some time);


--along with that point ^ , notice how Lam2:3-4's wording (esp: "he hath drawn back His right hand from before the enemy"--i.e. lifting the restraint, and letting the enemy "have at 'em!") parallels the wording used in 2Th2:7b-8a, where it states, "the one restraining AT PRESENT, will restrain, UNTIL out of the midst he become, AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed" (he is "revealed" at Seal #1 at the START of the "7-yr period" [which time period involves also the 7 angels / 7 trumpets... and the 7 angels / 7 Vials "in which the WRATH of God is completed"... and these take place over the course of SOME TIME--Again, "IN THE REVELATION [noun] OF the Lord Jesus from heaven WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON those that..."]);


--"TAKING VENGEANCE ON"... occurs over the course of SOME TIME (i.e. in the Trib years), not merely on the "singular 24-hr day" of His "RETURN" to the earth at Rev19; rather, it corresponds to the TIME PERIOD in which the following also takes place: "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion SO THAT they should BELIEVE THE LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI..." (2Th2:10-12, etc), that is, IN / DURING / WITHIN the Tribulation period (a TIME PERIOD--over the course of SOME TIME)--same people being spoken of in chapter one under present discussion;
The phrase "TAKING VENGEANCE ON" hails back to the wording found in Luke 18:8 "AVENGE *IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]*" which time period's wording corresponds directly with Revelation 1:1's "[to SHOW UNTO...] things which must come to pass *IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]*"--referencing the "future, specific, LIMITED time period" starting at SEAL #1, at the START of the 7-yr Trib; compare Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1's wording with each other--This is referencing what is commonly called the 7-year Tribulation Period, in / during which the "7 angels / 7 Trumpets" and "7 angels / 7 Vials" ("HIS MIGHTY ANGELS") will also take place (i.e. with "judgments" unfolding upon the earth OVER SOME TIME);


--the text in 2Th1:7 does not carry the meaning "RECEIVE rest" (or "to give" rest)... it is just stating the fact of "[ye who are troubled] rest with us IN THE REVELATION [noun] OF..." (and note that it is not the "verb": will be revealed [from heaven]" but rather, the "noun" [in] THE REVELATION [NOUN] OF..." (I'm asking you to, in view of all of the above, consider this phrase to be referencing A PERIOD OF TIME [i.e. the Tribulation period, when these JUDGMENTS will be unfolding upon the earth--Jesus, from His position in Heaven, initiating these--Seal #1 and onward--and using the assistance of "HIS MIGHTY ANGELS" throughout that time period, rather than viewing this sentence in 2Th1:7-9 to be referencing ONE SINGULAR MOMENT in time, at Rev19, alone);


--much more could be said on this 2Th1:7-9 passage... but I'm outta time and gotta run! = )

The way you pervert Scripture, it's pretty disgusting.

Is "second coming" a Biblical term? I dont find it in KJ

According to the rapture position the church disappears to be with the Lord

no disappearing.. Christ is seated at the right hand of God until the appointed time.. while it is true that God's judgments are pouring out before the "great day", Christ is not leaving the throne until he starts His descent and with that His glorious return.. during this descent He is in the air.. the raptured ones are taken up so that they can join the first ressurected ones and Christ in the air.. then the return of Christ continues and with these saints Christ defeats the evil ones at Armageddon.. Satan is bound, 1000 yr reign begins.. you know the rest..

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."

btw, I think the "voice of the archangel" refers to this passage:

"1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. " - REV 10

You won't find the word "rapture" in the KJV either? So what? the whole world knows about the Second Coming of Christ.

This is a rather nasty and blatantly false accusation. So unless you can actually PROVE FROM SCRIPTURE that I am perverting Scripture, you should tender an apology and retract this foolish statement.,

As someone eloquently posted, "THE HARVEST IS THE END OF THE WORLD". Anything else is perverse.

Do you even understand what that means? The harvest is shown in Revelation 14, and that is certainly not the end of the world.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Most of the translations have "the end of the age" in Matthew 13:39.
New International Version
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
English Standard Version
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
Berean Study Bible
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
New American Standard Bible
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
International Standard Version
The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
NET Bible
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
Jubilee Bible 2000
and the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Weymouth New Testament
The enemy who sows the darnel is *the Devil*; the harvest is the Close of the Age; the reapers are the angels.
World English Bible
The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
Young's Literal Translation
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers.

So you do owe me an apology since you do not even know what this is all about.

When I used the word "disappears" I had Hal Lindsey in mind. People disappear from all areas of life including Christian Airline pilots and planes begin to crash etc. I just can't see this happening. Besides, Hebrews 9:28 shoots this theory down. "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a SECOND time for the salvation/deliverance without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him." You can't just "arbitrarily" insert in Scripture a "phantom" third coming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

consider this parable and the explaination Jesus gave

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:24-30‬ ‭

a note there isn’t teo Harvest times but he said let both the good and bad grow together and then I’ll harvest the good and cast away the bad at once at the harvest then the explaination of the parable


“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

the field is the world;

the good seed are the children of the kingdom;

but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

the enemy that sowed them is the devil;

the harvest is the end of the world;

and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One time harvest both the good and bad two results one group enters the kingdom the other group doesn’t this is more detail of that day again notice it all happens at the same judgement when he returns

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34, 40-41, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬


More detail of that day the group that isn’t going to inherit life

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the other group that day who believed will experience this instead when that happens

“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the entire New Testament is based on switching for Jesus to return from heaven at the end of the world

He came once in the gospel went to heaven and will return again with salvstion for the faithful and destruction for the world

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭


“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭

“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus will return once at the end of the world at that time he will gather all his people left on earth and raise the dead for judgement

If we’re alive that day

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭

One day Jesus will arrive just like he left until that day we have to walk by faith