In the days of those kings

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Omegatime

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Dan 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;

Appears from this scripture that the kingdom of God begins before the end of the Tribulation

What say ye:
 

Magenta

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“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!” Mark 1:15

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luke 17:20
When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with
observable signs. Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
 

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Dan 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;

Appears from this scripture that the kingdom of God begins before the end of the Tribulation

What say ye:
Maybe you could explain your reasoning. What makes you think this?
 

ResidentAlien

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During the time of the 10 Kings (10 Toes) which happens sometime after the antichrist takes his seat in the temple of God and apparently during the bowl judgements IMO
But how much before the end of the tribulation are we talking about? I believe He will return near the end of the tribulation and bring it to a conclusion.
 

Omegatime

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But how much before the end of the tribulation are we talking about? I believe He will return near the end of the tribulation and bring it to a conclusion.
Well, it is what most people expect but in Rev 14:15 there is a reaping of the earth of the righteous, and I have some other details almost too hard to discuss here.

14 Then I looked, and lo, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat upon the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has power over fire, and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and gathered the vintage of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of God;

Also I see the reign of the antichrist during this time frame as he is the little horn who comes among the 10 kings durng the bowl jjudgements
 

Omegatime

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But how much before the end of the tribulation are we talking about? I believe He will return near the end of the tribulation and bring it to a conclusion.
I agree the Tribulation continues thru the bowl judgement and does bring things to a conclusion but is it possible the time the Lord set for his kingdom is different then what is set for the antichrist??
 

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Antichrist makes a covenant with many ---(nations)
Covenant made on Feast Trumpets
Seal Judgements and antichrist brings the jews home to Israel during the turmoil of the world
At end of the Seal judgement he begins his journey thru Israel showing himself as the Messiah and allows Temple building
Peace and Security prevails
Antichrist becomes king of Israel in middle of Tribulation ( 1260 days )
30 days later the Abomiation that causes desolation is placed in Jerusalem (1290 days)
Outer Courts of the temple given to the nations
Two witnesses killed Rev 11
Satan and his angels thrown to earth
Beast out of the sea----- 10 nations or toes Rev 12
Beast out of the earth-----Kingdom of the antichrist and false prophet begins--two horns like a lamb
Mark of the beast is in effect
Reaping of the earth--Rev 14:15---Resurrection of Tribulation saints
Blessed day of Daniel---( 1335 days)--Pentecost -----Lord's kingdom begins on Pentecost
Bowl Judgements begin
Daniel 2:44 Lord's kingdom begins during the reign of the kings
Antichrist reigns thru bowl judgements
End of Tribulation 2520 days

I chose Feast of Trumpets and Pentecost only because they are the only feast days that the 1335 days can be fulfilled. And only certain years can this happen.
 

Nehemiah6

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Appears from this scripture that the kingdom of God begins before the end of the Tribulation
That is not the case. It is only after the Second Coming of Christ that the Kingdom of God is established on earth.
 
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Dan 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;

Appears from this scripture that the kingdom of God begins before the end of the Tribulation

What say ye:
The Kingdom of God is ever at hand, PRAISE JESUS!
 
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Very specifically in regards to the stone which was cut and broke the idol in Nebuchadnezzar's Dream and fulfillment in scripture, this rock which Daniel told the king his dream about is even Jesus and fulfilled in Jesus here:

Mark 1:6-18


6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

16 Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

18 And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
 

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The "Kingdom Of God" is now for The Church as per Jesus. The Millennial Kingdom for survivors of The 7 Years of Tribulation is extended to a New Heaven and Earth. Then it is extended to Eternity. I hate to use the word Evolution but this is what it looks like to me. Same Kingdom but in different dement ions. Church(Kingdom of God inside us)->Transformed after Rapture into the Bride(turned into Priest Kings to co Rule in a New Earthly Kingdom with a throne in a New Jerusalem) Then Final Judgement and a New Heaven and Earth. No more Temple, Just a City where God lives with us for Eternity.
 

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I would read the Passage like this. When the 10 kings were ruling in their kingdoms, Jesus came on a White Horse and killed them all bringing His Kingdom with Him to the Earth. The Exact moment in time wouldnt matter.
 

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I would read the Passage like this. When the 10 kings were ruling in their kingdoms, Jesus came on a White Horse and killed them all bringing His Kingdom with Him to the Earth. The Exact moment in time wouldnt matter.
I would call that speculation or assuming. All scripture has to be placed in a proper order or it is meaningless
 
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I would read the Passage like this. When the 10 kings were ruling in their kingdoms, Jesus came on a White Horse and killed them all bringing His Kingdom with Him to the Earth. The Exact moment in time wouldnt matter.
Yes this is a great point, also simultaneously true. And that's fulfilled in climatic chapters of Revelation 19, 20,21, 22, which will take place at quite literally the end of the world and time itself, PRAISE JESUS, winner of the final battle; the end called from the beginning and the beginning from the end, God of all times in between and even after time itself melts away and ceases to exist, King into the ETERNITY, FOREVER. God's Kingdom come and will be done, PRAISE JESUS!
 

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I would call that speculation or assuming. All scripture has to be placed in a proper order or it is meaningless
You believe all scripture is in chronological order? More specifically: the book of Revelation is in chronological order?
 

resto

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I would call that speculation or assuming. All scripture has to be placed in a proper order or it is meaningless
God lives in all times present. Sequence in Gods Word is sometimes like seasons and some seasons overlap. Its above me.