Does Hell Exist?
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Yes....we are. The typology is quite irrefutable. Furthermore, God intentionally booted them from the garden, and sent a cherub with a flaming sword to PREVENT the now sinful corrupt Adam (who would be inevitably tempted as he degraded further into corruption) from eating of the tree of life, which would have condemned him to eternal existence in a sinful state.
Which is exactly the condition of unsaved in the lake of fire.....eternal sinning and eternal dying.
And just as God PREVENTED the now saved Adam from the slightest possibility of messing it up and suffering eternal death, so also God does likewise ALL OF THE TRULY SAVED.
OSAS is a biblically boilerplate fact so declared many times in many types.
BTW....Adam was NOT cursed. He was saved. The exact opposite state. The ground was cursed. The serpent was judged and cursed and damned. Cain was judged and cursed and damned.
But Adam was undoubtedly SAVED.
Which is exactly the condition of unsaved in the lake of fire.....eternal sinning and eternal dying.
And just as God PREVENTED the now saved Adam from the slightest possibility of messing it up and suffering eternal death, so also God does likewise ALL OF THE TRULY SAVED.
OSAS is a biblically boilerplate fact so declared many times in many types.
BTW....Adam was NOT cursed. He was saved. The exact opposite state. The ground was cursed. The serpent was judged and cursed and damned. Cain was judged and cursed and damned.
But Adam was undoubtedly SAVED.
Not from the study I've done.
God is love, and God is just.
To burn in hell for ever or even 100 year when you only lived for 70 years is not just or loving.
Perish means Perish.
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Does the Bible teach that no one perishes?
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.....
All life comes from God and those not saved will die, perish, come to their end or be destroyed.
The God I know will not keep the unsaved alive to suffer and suffer and suffer for ever.
God is love, and God is just.
To burn in hell for ever or even 100 year when you only lived for 70 years is not just or loving.
Perish means Perish.
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Does the Bible teach that no one perishes?
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.....
All life comes from God and those not saved will die, perish, come to their end or be destroyed.
The God I know will not keep the unsaved alive to suffer and suffer and suffer for ever.
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And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell ..." Mark 9:43. These words of Jesus prove beyond any shadow of doubt that it is the body which goes into the fire, and not some mystical soul. In Matthew 5:30 He spoke of the "whole body" being cast into hell. That means hands, feet, eyes, and all the other members of the physical body.
The Ancient Peoples actually thought about where Hell is located.
Peter, tells us this Earth will be cleansed with Fire and consumes all impurities. So Hell, cannot be within Earth.
But one Book, did throw out a concept, of where Hell was located within God's Creation.
10 |Here they showed Enoch the frightful place and various tortures. Word “9.”|
And those men carried me
to the northern region; and they showed me there a very frightful place;
and all kinds of torture and torment are in that place, cruel darkness and lightless gloom. And there is no light there, and a black fire blazes up perpetually, with a river of fire that comes out over the whole place, fire here, freezing ice there, and it dries up and it freezes;
and very cruel places of detention and dark and merciless angels, carrying instruments of atrocities torturing without pity.
And I said, “Woe, woe! How very frightful this place is!” And those men said to me, “This place, Enoch, has been prepared for those who do not glorify God, who practice on the earth the sin |which is against nature, which is child corruption in the anus in the manner of Sodom|, of witchcraft, enchantments, divinations, trafficking with demons, who boast about their evil deeds – |stealing, lying, insulting, coveting, resentment, fornication, murder| –
•and who steal the souls of men secretly, seizing the poor by the throat, taking away their possessions, enriching themselves from the possessions of others, defrauding them; who, when they are able to provide sustenance, bring about the death of the hungry by starvation; and, when they are able to provide clothing, take away the last garment of the naked; •who do not acknowledge their Creator, but bow down to idols which have no souls, which can neither see nor hear, vain gods; constructing images, and bowing down to vile things made by hands
– for all these this place has been prepared as an eternal reward.”
Peter, tells us this Earth will be cleansed with Fire and consumes all impurities. So Hell, cannot be within Earth.
But one Book, did throw out a concept, of where Hell was located within God's Creation.
10 |Here they showed Enoch the frightful place and various tortures. Word “9.”|
And those men carried me
to the northern region; and they showed me there a very frightful place;
and all kinds of torture and torment are in that place, cruel darkness and lightless gloom. And there is no light there, and a black fire blazes up perpetually, with a river of fire that comes out over the whole place, fire here, freezing ice there, and it dries up and it freezes;
and very cruel places of detention and dark and merciless angels, carrying instruments of atrocities torturing without pity.
And I said, “Woe, woe! How very frightful this place is!” And those men said to me, “This place, Enoch, has been prepared for those who do not glorify God, who practice on the earth the sin |which is against nature, which is child corruption in the anus in the manner of Sodom|, of witchcraft, enchantments, divinations, trafficking with demons, who boast about their evil deeds – |stealing, lying, insulting, coveting, resentment, fornication, murder| –
•and who steal the souls of men secretly, seizing the poor by the throat, taking away their possessions, enriching themselves from the possessions of others, defrauding them; who, when they are able to provide sustenance, bring about the death of the hungry by starvation; and, when they are able to provide clothing, take away the last garment of the naked; •who do not acknowledge their Creator, but bow down to idols which have no souls, which can neither see nor hear, vain gods; constructing images, and bowing down to vile things made by hands
– for all these this place has been prepared as an eternal reward.”
my thoughts on hell are this.
The body feals pain and the mind can only cope with that pain depending on the severity of the pain.
When the pain becomes so bad a person can lose consciousness and the pain can no longer be felt at that moment.
But some pains can torture the mind all day like a burn or a tooth ache.
Theese are bad enough but welders flash from welding, where part of eye retina gets damaged can feel like having sand or soap in your eyes , and can last for upto a weak.
How ever somehow the mind can block theese pains and still manage to drift of to sleep even tho whilst awake it felt like toture.
This is also saying the mind can only only cope with so much pain befor it again loses consciousness.
But consciousness is never lost completely because when you wake up with welders flask the pain is just as bad.
A conscious is also able to feal pain where an accident to the body hasn't even happened.
I had a dream my arm was chopped of in a sword fight.
I woke up and all week my right arm, where I had my arm chopped of in a dream I felt pain.
I also believe it is the conscience that leaves the body once a person dies.
And I believe a person conscience is also the very essence of there soul.
So for me the conscience in hell will not be killed instantly but suffer day and night.
It may be that conscience may get some relief at some point with losing conscience as the pain becomes unbearable but it will wake back up into pain.
My other belief is that a persons conscience can not leave its own body by its own accord, it has to taken out of the body and carried away by some sort of entity.
The body feals pain and the mind can only cope with that pain depending on the severity of the pain.
When the pain becomes so bad a person can lose consciousness and the pain can no longer be felt at that moment.
But some pains can torture the mind all day like a burn or a tooth ache.
Theese are bad enough but welders flash from welding, where part of eye retina gets damaged can feel like having sand or soap in your eyes , and can last for upto a weak.
How ever somehow the mind can block theese pains and still manage to drift of to sleep even tho whilst awake it felt like toture.
This is also saying the mind can only only cope with so much pain befor it again loses consciousness.
But consciousness is never lost completely because when you wake up with welders flask the pain is just as bad.
A conscious is also able to feal pain where an accident to the body hasn't even happened.
I had a dream my arm was chopped of in a sword fight.
I woke up and all week my right arm, where I had my arm chopped of in a dream I felt pain.
I also believe it is the conscience that leaves the body once a person dies.
And I believe a person conscience is also the very essence of there soul.
So for me the conscience in hell will not be killed instantly but suffer day and night.
It may be that conscience may get some relief at some point with losing conscience as the pain becomes unbearable but it will wake back up into pain.
My other belief is that a persons conscience can not leave its own body by its own accord, it has to taken out of the body and carried away by some sort of entity.
Scripture identifies fear of death as the reason for man's bondage to sin.
So this idea that death is "nothing to fear" goes against Scripture.
Still, many hold it in ignorance. Just like many believe the soul of man is immortal even though Scripture
explicitly states that God alone is immortal. Taken together, Scripture teaches that life is in Jesus Christ
alone, and only those who by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood attain to life ever after.
So this idea that death is "nothing to fear" goes against Scripture.
Still, many hold it in ignorance. Just like many believe the soul of man is immortal even though Scripture
explicitly states that God alone is immortal. Taken together, Scripture teaches that life is in Jesus Christ
alone, and only those who by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood attain to life ever after.
Here you go. Everyone should buckle up and get ready for the exegetical ride of your LIFE!
And no time like the present to dispel and immolate those unbiblical myths so many are infested with.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/series/2035/?sb=oldest
And no time like the present to dispel and immolate those unbiblical myths so many are infested with.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/series/2035/?sb=oldest
Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, (Strong's G1067 =
G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh’-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.)
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
(From https://www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.html) "The Gehenna Valley was thus a place of burning sewage, burning flesh, and garbage. Maggots and worms crawled through the waste, and the smoke smelled strong and sickening (Isaiah 30:33). It was a place utterly filthy, disgusting, and repulsive to the nose and eyes. Gehenna presented such a vivid image that Christ used it as a symbolic depiction of hell: a place of eternal torment and constant uncleanness, where the fires never ceased burning and the worms never stopped crawling (Matthew 10:28; Mark 9:47–48).
Because of Jesus’ symbolic use of Gehenna, the word gehenna is sometimes used as a synonym for hell. In fact, that’s how the Greek word is translated in Mark 9:47: “hell.” The occupants of the lake of fire/gehenna/hell are separated from God for all of eternity."
That place of burning of garbage no longer exists. The fire has gone out and is just a valley of the memory of evils like passing their children through Molech.
Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
It's this verse that makes me ask, If YHWH says burning your children is an abomination, how does He feel about burning human beings who are not innocent, ie refused to keep the commandments (which I've seen a few post here in CC that call that the moral law? Are they not potentially His children? I say potentially, because I've heard a teaching that they will have another chance to hear the gospel while Satan is bound before their final decree of eternal damnation. Anyway, that might be neither here nor there.
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, (Strong's G1067 =
G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh’-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.)
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
(From https://www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.html) "The Gehenna Valley was thus a place of burning sewage, burning flesh, and garbage. Maggots and worms crawled through the waste, and the smoke smelled strong and sickening (Isaiah 30:33). It was a place utterly filthy, disgusting, and repulsive to the nose and eyes. Gehenna presented such a vivid image that Christ used it as a symbolic depiction of hell: a place of eternal torment and constant uncleanness, where the fires never ceased burning and the worms never stopped crawling (Matthew 10:28; Mark 9:47–48).
Because of Jesus’ symbolic use of Gehenna, the word gehenna is sometimes used as a synonym for hell. In fact, that’s how the Greek word is translated in Mark 9:47: “hell.” The occupants of the lake of fire/gehenna/hell are separated from God for all of eternity."
That place of burning of garbage no longer exists. The fire has gone out and is just a valley of the memory of evils like passing their children through Molech.
Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
It's this verse that makes me ask, If YHWH says burning your children is an abomination, how does He feel about burning human beings who are not innocent, ie refused to keep the commandments (which I've seen a few post here in CC that call that the moral law? Are they not potentially His children? I say potentially, because I've heard a teaching that they will have another chance to hear the gospel while Satan is bound before their final decree of eternal damnation. Anyway, that might be neither here nor there.
Magenta, you must understand that Genesis 2 & 3 are indisputable proof positive of the fact of eternal death.
The saved are prevented from falling into that most dire condition. Like literally prevented by the power of God so stated by Peter.
Furthermore, when Jesus speaks about life, He ALWAYS means eternal life.
And when He speaks of death He ALWAYS means eternal death.
This you simply do not understand.
This annihilation business (whatever flavor you believe in)......is heresy and is utterly unbiblical rubbish.
And you might care to notice that when Jesus weeps for the unsaved, it is because they are destined for
the lake of fire and eternal death, eternal dying. The most horrific condition imaginable.
The saved are prevented from falling into that most dire condition. Like literally prevented by the power of God so stated by Peter.
Furthermore, when Jesus speaks about life, He ALWAYS means eternal life.
And when He speaks of death He ALWAYS means eternal death.
This you simply do not understand.
This annihilation business (whatever flavor you believe in)......is heresy and is utterly unbiblical rubbish.
And you might care to notice that when Jesus weeps for the unsaved, it is because they are destined for
the lake of fire and eternal death, eternal dying. The most horrific condition imaginable.
How could Adam (and by extension the human race) have not been cursed? Imagine the come down from a gorgeous Garden of Eden, which required little or no work, and was full of the best of plants, fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc. and watered by several rivers, to a soil full of thorns, and thistles, and weeds, and all kinds of infestations, where mankind had to labor daily with the sweat of his brow (and in sorrow) in order to survive?
We should not be ignoring what is actually in the Bible: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen 3:17-19)
We should not be ignoring what is actually in the Bible: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen 3:17-19)
