Flat earth debunked.

I have never seen the ice wall, nor has anyone, if you referring to the imaginary ring around the continents. lol

Although, I have seen an ice cave, and went inside. Pretty sure I was considered a caveman for a moment.

Sounds like what a donut earth denier would say. Trying to cover your tracts now, aren't you?

Were you expecting a reply from racerunner by chance? lol

No, but as long as he is somewhat respectful, I will try to be as well.

Never let facts get in the way of your ridiculous theory. British Airways is not NASA. Concorde flew 50,000 times with that airline. It reached 70,000 ft, high enough to see the curvature of the earth. And eyewitnesses testify to that fact. 2.5 million people flew supersonically, i.e. at heights where the curvature of the earth is visible. You call every one of them liars? 2.5 million? And what observable fact have Flerfers to offer? None. Not one. All you have is assertion, slanderous accusations and misinterpretation of the Bible.

So the earth is flat because "the continents have rings around them"?

I guess my bathtub must be flat because it has a ring around it.

Fair enough.

Even though, the flat earth model is false, racerunner is on the right track, as well as other flat earthers, who question the shape of the earth.. Why do I say this?

Well, the ocean, or large bodies of water, make for a really good way, if not the only way to measure the earth's shape, for the average person. Water will generally be sculpted to shape of the earth, unlike dirt, and rock.

The Concave Hollow Earth has some history in Florida, and I find it funny, that I started believing in it, while living in Florida. Anyways...

The U.S. Geodetic Department did a survey on a lake in Naples, Florida. They found that the water goes uphill in both directions, after conducting the survey.


"The United States Geodetic Survey crew for two years conducted further experiments, among them measuring the surface of a long lake in Florida on the theory that water conforms to the true curvature of the Earths surface regardless of how the land may be, thus giving a true level only to find that the water curved uphill in each direction rather than downhill."

The above was a quote from a college website, but it was taken down, but it can be confirmed other places on the net. The survey was done in 1896 and 1897. I actually contract NOAA to see, if I can find the survey, but was directed to a database, in which I couldn't find it...Sadly.

There was a commune of a Christian religious group, who believed in a Concave Hollow Earth, led by Cyrus Teed. He led a team to confirm the shape of the earth, by using the Rectilineator.


Someone might be asking, who cares? Well. there is a point. By running your own experiments and seeing the outcome, you can prove your point, instead of relying on third party evidence, which may, may not be true. There is no way to replicate NASA's proof, for the average person.




So, despite what anyone thinks, these seem to be the two best ways, of proving shape of earth, with a lake being the better of the two.

Both the Rectilineator and U.S. Geodetic survey pointed to a Concave Hollow Earth. There is also the Tamarack mind shaft experiments using magnets, that proved the center of earth was, 4,000 miles up, not 4,000 miles down.

One could say, I challenge these results. Well, the water survey is about the easiest to do, which I will be conducting myself, to confirm the results. The Rectilineator could be redone, but it would take a large budget, or possible redesigned to make it cheaper, and quicker. The Tamarack mind shaft experiment could be redone, but that would be extremely difficult, due to liability, and finding similar mine shafts.

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." I'm not calling those people liars. Quite likely stupid (or indoctrinated to believe the opposite of what their eyes are telling them). Many people say they have seen the Earth's curvature on the ocean, or on mountains, or at the height of a standard plane flight. We have such people in this very thread. I don't believe most of them are lying out of malice - more likely out of ignorance and/or stupidity. If we go by the government statistics, a good 80% - 90% of the people in Western nations took an experimental and potentially life-threatening, DNA-modifying "vaccine" in a failed endeavour to protect against a disease indistiguishable from the common cold. Not a very convincing indicator for relying on the intelligence of the general population.

How many people on the Concorde flights flew at 70,000 feet? How many of these observed the Earth's curvature? How many of them did not? Your claim is a very subjective argument, unless you have reliable witness testimony that can be cross-examined. We come back to the definition of science - it is testable and repeatable. Even if your claim is true, that all 2.5 million people who travelled to 70,000 feet did indeed claim to have seen the Earth's curvature, and none of the 2.5 million contradicted this with a claim that they observed the Earth to be flat, it is not a very testable or repeatable experiment, as conveniently for Heliocentrists, Concorde is no longer flying.

The only proof you have of Heliocentricity are unverified, untestable claims and appeals to emotion (e.g. the claim I'm using "assertion, slanderous accusations and misinterpretation of the Bible"). Not very convincing. If the Earth truly were curved, the curvature would be observable by experiment down here on Earth, not somewhere only accessibly by NASA freemasons. There is no such observation or experiment to demonstrate Earth's curvature, because it's flat.

You're misapplying the burden of proof again. The burden of proof is not on Flat Earthers to prove the Earth is flat. It is on NASA (or the other space agencies you think are somehow more reputable), to provide convincing evidence of the contrary. Photographs can indeed be part of that proof, but it's not on me to prove that the photographs are fake, it is on NASA or your preferred space agency to demonstrate they've actually done what they've claimed. These organisations received billions of dollars, and all they come up with are Computer Generated Images and a handful of photographs that people like me can see are faked? This is no proof of Heliocentricity or Ball-Earth theory in the least.

This was posted by a flat earther. Clearly shows ocean curves up. Just look at the still on the youtube video, if the earth was flat, the ocean horizon would be flat. It's curving up.


The Stars is another way to show curvature, stars are big problem with flat earthers. Flat earthers don't have a map with a scale, nor does it have a working model of the sun and stars. I know flat earthers try really hard to present their information as true, but there is glaring holes in your beliefs. The fact that no flat earther has responded to these points, further demonstrates how bad the flat earth model is.


And once the flat earthers ignore stars long enough, let's talk about airplane flights. Just acknowledge there are major flaws in the flat earth model, than we can at least agree on something.

This video is great to prove concave hollow earth. Just pause the video at the 45 second mark. Notice how the flange with bolts increases height over distance??? The flange is the flat thingy above the yellow caution paint. There are multiple demonstrations of this in many different videos.


If the earth was flat the ocean would be flat, but it's not. You can see from the video that ocean is rising altitude over distance. The video was trying to prove a convex ocean, but he can be clearly be corrected by either pausing the video at the 45 second mark, or getting a high powered telescope.

Right, and Eratosthenes didn’t even exist, but is also a figment of our fertile imaginations.

Your denial of simple science is profound.

If the plane of the gyroscope is horizontal, then your mythical "Circular earth" would require the "yaw" of the airplane to continuously rotate in order to fly in a "staight line". A gyroscope with a vertical rotational axis would only be aware of "pitch", and "roll".

I find it UTTERLY UNBELIEVEABLE that a person in 2023 would be SO UTTERLY IGNORANT as to actually believe "Flat Earth" lunacy.

Perhaps we should pray and ask the Good Lord what the earth is?

You completely missed the point.

No doubt he already has - which is why he has invited you to open your eyes and see what he has - that which may be seen by those who choose to open their eyes to see it.

The question that remains is - are you willing to consider his words and open your eyes that you may see...?

Seriously. It is eye-witness testimony. Take it for what it is worth.

Indeed - if you back up far enough to see enough of the forest, you begin to see how the trees are related and how the whole thing fits together...

It seems that some say you can see curvature while standing on the beach looking out at the ocean. Others say 'No - but you see curvature during a commercial plane flight'. Still others say 'No - that is not high enough - you must be much higher'.

I wish the Ball Earth folks would get their story straight and tell us just-exactly-and-precisely how high one can-and-cannot see curvature.

I love yall. This is fun.

Just as the walls of your bathtub contain the bath water - likewise does the 'ice wall' contain the oceans.