water baptism in Jesus' Name.

The word itself is unimportant. What God is actually saying is important.

My point is...Acts 2:39 and Ephesians 2:8-9 are contradictory at face value. Both cannot be true taken at face value. One must be understood some other way.

“Baptism does not save remember the 1 thief on the cross who repented who believed Jesus is the son of God was told by Jesus today thou shall be with me in paradise”


we don’t know wether he was baptized or not so it’s not a good example of someone being saved without baptism

There’s nothing to say he wasnt baptized in water in fact there’s a tendency to think he probably was baptized because of several examples like these two

“And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe know the thief was in the region and also had heard Jesus preaching before the cross because he talks about his kingdom which is what Jesus preached immediately following the baptism of John


This doesn’t prove he was baptized , of course but my point is we just don’t know if he was or wasn’t but there’s nothin to suggest anywhere in scripture he wasn’t there’s some things suggesting he probably was because it says the people the sinners and yet believers , in the region were flocking to John to confess thoer sins and get baptized believing John was the immediate , predecessor of the messiah like the prophets foretold

Johns place is the last annointed witness of Christ before he came and John is in the prophets wrotten as the immediate predecessor of the messiah

“There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light,

that all men through him ( Jesus ) might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When they were getting baptized for remission of sins before Jesus death it’s because they believed what the prophets said out the messiah , they believed was about to be made known after John

For instance they heard this in the concluding chapters of the prophets

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: ( John )

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”( Jesus )
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And they believed John was that messenger and so

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee.

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they believed the messiah was about to arrive and so remission of sins comes in Here before it happened ( Old Testament ) they we’re told by wotnesses and believed

“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and after it happened ( new testaments ) we are told by witnesses and believed

“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:21-25‬ ‭

christ and remission of sins goes forward to the end and backwards to the beginning by the witness of God we heard it after , they before it’s faith either way if you believe Gods word about Christ many of the ot believed in Jesus but they didn’t know it yet


when they got baptized it was because they believed John was that preeecessor of the messiah who would take thier sins upon himself , because the prophets said he would all along

So even before Jesus was announced and died for sin , they got baptized believing he would because of the prophets baptism hasn’t changed is the point in any way only Jesus name is now known

before the cross

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”

( because they believed in the remission through the messiah death the ot promised even before it happened because God said it would and they believed )
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

After the cross

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ( this can now happen because Jesus does and rose and was glorofied )

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. ( baptism is part of the promise )

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39, 41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Baptism in water doesn’t “ save anyone “ it’s a word of faith meaning it is something God said to hear and believe and do and you will be saved “

basic faith is believing what God said and acting upon that belief

They are not contradictory if baptism is not a work.

Why not just believe the truth?

Of course it's a work. It's something that has been commanded to do.

So, your only option is to not take a verse of scripture at face value.

That is dangerous, impaho.

Same old same old same old.

Oneness doctrine.
They reject the trinity?
Any oneness want to say they are trinitarian?




Baptism in the name of Jesus only in the book of Acts (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) means to baptize by means of the authority of Jesus(Matthew 28:18) and is done by saying what Jesus commanded us to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19) because Jesus Christ is “one” in essence and purpose with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit (John 1:14, 18; 5:23-24; 10:30; 12:44-45; 14:7-13; 17:1-5, 21-22; I Corinthians 12:3-7; Ephesians 1:3-14; 4:4-6). The only baptismal formula commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ Who has “all authority” in heaven and on earth, includes all three Persons of the Godhead (Matthew 28:18-19). To use a different formula than what Jesus commanded is an act of disobedience and dishonors the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have been baptized in Jesus' Name and would call myself Trinitarian; while I also emphasize the Oneness of the Lord in the Trinity.

Again, no. But I get the feeling you are not exactly open to instruction or correction. But I do wish you the best. Grace and peace.

So, you are saying that Peter disobeyed Jesus (Acts 2:38).

Question, did Peter have the Holy Spirit?

See Acts 5:32.

Let's say I am baptised tomorrow according to what Jesus said.

Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

I then walk out of church and and get run over and die.

Am I goint to hell because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus only?

Now you are contradicting what you said before.

See my post above.

that sounds like T D Jake's mumbo jumbo.

If you acknowledge that the "name" you were baptized in is "Jesus Christ" then you are not going to hell.

If you properly called on the name of the Lord, you are not going to hell (Romans 10:13).

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one Lord (Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17; 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:17).

I was thinking, Calvary Chapel, the Jesus Revolution + Chuck Smith Movement, was considered Trinity, even though, they Baptize like Book of Acts.

So, you are saying that Peter disobeyed Jesus; and therefore did not have the Holy Spirit.

That is certainly a revolutionary doctrine. We can just cut 1 and 2 Peter out of our Bibles then.

No, I was baptized in a Oneness church.

Chuck and his folk do not mention a name when they baptize.

Does he say that? I think that he is an excellent preacher.

I die before being baptized.

Then what?

If after I have baptised as Jesus said "in the name of the Father and of the Son and Holy Spirit" and not in the name of Jesus only and die then what?

Do you believe I'm going to hell.

Do you believe that the great commission given by Jesus concerning baptism should not be in the Bible.

Who was Peter addressing in Acts?