A few words of wisdom

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pottersclay

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I completely agree with this women...for those of you that struggle in this area let me remind you in genesis that the whole human race was turned to corrupt not by a dark powerful force, or a great and mighty battle but by
The simple power of suggestion.......did GOD say?

 

Magenta

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... let me remind you in genesis that the whole human race was turned to corrupt not by a dark powerful
force, or a great and mighty battle but by The simple power of suggestion.......did GOD say?
Not just the simple power of suggestion, but an outright lie: “You will not surely die."
 
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pottersclay

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Not just the simple power of suggestion, but an outright lie: “You will not surely die."
Absolutely saint, this must be included. Notice the order, first a suggestion then a different out come. Then he wants us to beleive in our own abilities "you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
 
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Absolutely saint, this must be included. Notice the order, first a suggestion then a different out come. Then he wants us to beleive in our own abilities "you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
Part of what the devil said was true..

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
 
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pottersclay

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Part of what the devil said was true..

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Are you saying God wanted us to know good and evil?
 
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Gojira

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Are you saying God wanted us to know good and evil?
I think we would have learned about it either way. The moment satan presented his case, they were forced to think about obedience or disobedience. If they chose obedience, I believe they would have understood good and evil as well.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Absolutely saint, this must be included. Notice the order, first a suggestion then a different out come. Then he wants us to beleive in our own abilities "you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
sure in order to deceive someone who’s been told the truth by God you have to create some doubt and make some suggestions and then offer a contrary idea

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

( theres a caviat to that ) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:

for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“you are free and able to eat of any tree because your tending the garden but don’t eat this trees fruit it is deadly for you you will surely die “

your point the creation of doubt “ Did God really say that about the fruit ?”

magentas point the lie “ you arent going to surely die if you eat that fruit “

i would add the temptation now that everything is set up

“ God knows it will make you wise as gods to know good and evil “

the steps of a deception of someone who’s been informed of something true

you absolutely have to first create some manner of doubt or the person will hold on to believing the truth “ we must not eat the fruit of that tree we will certainly die “

You then have to offer an alternative that isn’t true to whatever the truth is in other words a lie so the person has something else to think about and consideryou aren’t going to surely die “

Finally you have to give them a reason to try the fruit out so they will break Gods commandment saying “you must not or you will die “

So you say something that’s tempting of the forbidden object of desire “ it will make you wise to know good and evil “

Once they take the bait , now Gods word says “ you’ve eaten the fruit and Will surely die “ they have now condemned themselves with the freedom given them because an enemy of mankind an therefore an enemy of God whomloves mankind , deceived them in a down right nasty Manner using Gods word of freedom blessing and protection and warning , to put man to death by Gods word and man’s disobedience even through his deception
 

Clayman

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Figuratively Jesus was the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the earth, so before the garden was created, the plan was in place to rescue you and me :)