The Role of Men in God's Design

Women have rarely been treated equally in a broader scale. I am not talking about
giving women jobs that really only men can do. Plus, I was just a kid in the sixties .

Not a hard question to answer considering women did not get to vote until 1920
in the US, and 1928 in Canada, although it was not until The Canadian Human
Rights Act of 1977 when we finally gave Canadians the right to equality, equal
opportunity, fair treatment, and an environment free of discrimination on the
basis of sex. However, the reality is still far from the ideal.

God designed marriage much like God designed the church. Men lead in the home as they submit to Christ. Men lead the church as they submit to Christ.

Some teach that this is old fashion, tradition, a way of ancient culture, or misogynistic in nature. But the Bible doesn't give us any other opinion.

Ephesians 5:23
New King James Version
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

1 Timothy 3:2
English Standard Version
2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

For many decades, men have become passive and persuaded by modern feminism that men in general are oppressive and part of the hypothetical patriarchal system.

Patriarchy— is a system of social organization that recognizes, encourages, and reproduces the seemingly natural and necessary domination of men over women.

Does the Bible teach domination over women? Of course not.

The Bible speaks to the simple fact of biology and design. Men and women are different from their genetic code to muscular capacity. It is often the women and children who are preyed upon and often by inherent duty men feel the need to destroy the predators of society.

An inner nature to defend the biologically weak from the evils of evil men.

For too long the culture has taught that all men are the problem and that somewhere after WW2 while the men went to war, the industries saw they could make money off of the labor of women as well. The home would later be split up as dad and mom work 12-hour shifts and the kids are brainwashed by public education.

Feminist movements begin in waves and started in the late 1800s. The first wave was largely equality and the right to vote.

Where things start to turn is in 1963 during the Vietnam War massive protests erupted. A new wave of feminism would begin. This time second-wave feminists called for a reevaluation of traditional gender roles in society, an end to sexist discrimination, equal pay, and with Roe v Wade reproductive rights.

The pay was being abused and discrimination was very much real but notice now they attack the mother and the children.

Wave three would hit in 1990, the key issues would now be sexual harassment in the workplace, shortage of women in power, and inclusion when it came to race and gender. Intersectionality is a product of Marxism (Critical theory) how types of oppression (based on race, class, gender, etc.) gives people a social credit score based on how oppressed they are, and finally support for trans rights.

Now under legitimate issues (never let a good crisis go to waste) certain groups began to push the agenda of Marx and Engels to divide people into classes and so began the attack on gender itself with including trans rights.

Modern feminism/LGBT+ movements, we hear the topics of toxic masculinity, 100 plus gender pronouns, abortion rights, “I don't need a man”, intersectionality score, a woman is to be called chest feeding versus breastfeeding, a biological man (trans) can play woman sports, use woman's restrooms, be housed in woman's prisons or use their changing rooms. A woman can kill her child in the womb or even hours after birth. Marriage would be allowed to homosexuals and the culture pushes to redefine pedophiles as Minor Attracted Persons. People in some states can marry children, their dog, or even their model airplane. Equal pay for equal work has become equal pay no matter the quality of work. Hiring women to power has now become hiring those on the intersectionality score deemed most oppressed versus those of merit and qualification.

Thank God that positive things came out of the early movements but as each wave came, it got more and more like the culture away from God.

Men are designed to lead the home and the church. Not that women must be submissive to all authority but only to that that is aligned with God. Not the abuse of men but that which God has ordained as good.

The man is called to submit to Christ, to love the wife like he loves himself, and to love like Christ loves the Church.

If you really consider Jesus's teachings on how a man should lead then like any good leader he sacrifices to serve those under him. He uplifts and protects those under his authority.

The Overseer, elder, and pastor carry only male pronouns. The same structure of marriage carries over to the Church. This doesn't imply a woman can not teach, evangelize, or speak in church. But it does imply a woman can not be a pastor and a woman (if married) should honor her scriptural status as a wife to not subvert her husband as a leader (that is if the husband is trying to lead).

We must never sacrifice the roles that God has designed men and women to be. A man can not birth a child. A woman can not get pregnant without a man. A man's brain chemistry as a father brings positive traits a child needs. Same as a biological mother.

We must not waver or back away from reality/God's design. The truth will always be true regardless of feelings.

I agree with your position because the Bible says the same thing. For example, in Genesis 1, God made male and female equai in status before him; but in chapter two, God created the male first (first between equals), and he names Eve. Naming in that day and today among some people means having a measure of authority over the subordinate person. Also in Genesis, Pharoah re-names Joseph Zaphenath-paneah to make him recognize that he is still second, not first, in Egypt's rulership. Paul carries the same principle to marriage and the church very clearly. In Ephesians 5, the man is supposed to be the woman's servant-leader in maintaining the family's God-given direction. Other passages say that men are to be the leaders of the church in the roles that direct the church by God's grace.

However, I disagree with a little bit when you talk about the culture around us. Sure, they have deviated from God's will. What else would we expect. We must not impose our will on the secular culture around us, but we must be God's witnesses of what God has done in our lives (Acts 1:8).

The push for a female president or leader as such is not a good idea imo.

We must not impose our will on the secular culture around us...

Interesting! I would have thought that men struggle for superiority, while women struggle for equality .

As Christian men and women we should be running the race to be the examples God set before us.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

...but I also won't deny that my stance is mainly based on bias of male or female...

So on the topic of male roles. I have always believed God will use who he chooses to use and I stand by this but I also won't deny that my stance is mainly based on bias of male or female we are all equal in Christ and I cannot stand those who parade the male is over women thing as if women should be kissing the ground they walk on.

In the middle east where men basically are gods compared to women they have all this stuff women submit to their husbands they cover faces they don't speak out of turn they are good submissive wives and the husband is in charge what he says goes. But is that how it is supposed to be? Have you seen how this system works and effects the women and daughters? But at the same time there is no denying what Paul said and while I don't agree with him on this I also can't just pick and choose what I want to accept from scripture so how does one look at this.

I do think that there are certain positions that a man should have after all it is true God created man and women to have different roles I mean men can't give birth women can't do certain things men can at least not as well not because they are inferier but because we are just built different men are for the most part bigger and stronger so heavy lifting is usually left up the man.

The roles are not the issue to me it is that mentality of superiority that gets to me that submissive wife do as I say kind of thing that I have seen so many who parade this teaching use to elevate themselves over women it absolutely disgusts me.
There are only two types of mentality that triggers me to lose control sexism and racism you don't want to be around me with that

I believe if we took the time to break down all of what the NT says about the role of a man being the head of the home then you would agree with Paul. Because if you study this in-depth the man has such a high bar to meet that if a man was to actually pursue the commands given to him, any sane woman would desire that type of man.

In view of this make your stance conform to Scripture. And keep in mind that in the West feminism has tried to emasculate men, and women have tried to dominate men and take leadership roles.

So now we have men pretending to be women and claiming that they can even get pregnant. Now how disgusting is that? The truth of the matter is that God has clearly defined the roles of men and women in the home and in the church. There is no ambiguity there. And had the ideologies of the world not pushed women out of their homes, and blatantly promoted abortion (murder), things would be quite different. So now transgenderism is the latest fad, so that boys will imagine they are girls, and girls will imagine they are boys. And if you are a traitor, all you have to do is claim you are a woman now, and everything is just fine.

I believe if we took the time to break down all of what the NT says about the role of a man being the head of the home then you would agree with Paul. Because if you study this in-depth the man has such a high bar to meet that if a man was to actually pursue the commands given to him, any sane woman would desire that type of man.

If I had a wife I would first make sure that I am the kind of man who stands in honor and respect duty and perserverence so that when she is lacking in anything I can be her strength I want to be the kind of man who resembles how Christ treats the church.

That is exctly what Roughsoul1991 said when he said the husband is to love the wife as Christ loves the church.

Actually, when men exercise well their God given authority, it is a blessing over his family and for those in the church. The problem arises as men think to rule and not to shepherd.
The greatest in the kingdom of God is a servant.