Baptism, the simple version.
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Actually the sentence you emphasized speaks directly to water baptism. Where do we see the promise of receiving forgiveness of sins through the name of the Lord Jesus? It is specifically referenced in Peter's initial presentation of the requirements of man in association with the shed blood of Jesus.
"...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..."
"...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..."
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Yes. According to Scripture that is exactly what saves a sinner: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom 10:9-13)
That settles the matter right there. Do you see the word "baptism" in those verses? So there is no need to start a controversy when Scripture is plain and clear.
That settles the matter right there. Do you see the word "baptism" in those verses? So there is no need to start a controversy when Scripture is plain and clear.
Not surprised by your reply. You're free to believe whatever you choose. Feel free to add me to your so-called Christian list. I adamantly reject your works based requirements for salvation.
Baptized by or in, the believer is baptized BY Christ's Holy Spirit IN to His Body (1 Cor 12:13 parsed below). A Christian has Christ-IN-them (no water required).
Col 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
(MY NOTE: When Peter is speaking in Acts 2. He's speaking to Jews only. No gentile is given the Holy Spirit until aprx 7 years later in Acts 10. This mystery/secret isn't revealed until the risen Christ chooses Paul & sends him to the gentiles. Acts 26:15-18)
The message is inverted from be baptized & received the Holy Sprit (Temple My Jews only) To believe & receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10.
Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
(MY NOTE: Rom 5:1-2; God's grace is accessed by faith (no water needed). Here; since therefore, we have now been justified by his blood. Justified means: Declared righteous/placed in a right standing with the Father. Christ is the Justifier:
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus
(MY NOTE Justified via Belief)
Eph 2:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.
9 And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
(MY NOTE: Saved by Grace thru Faith & no self-works, to include water immersion)
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(MY NOTE: One Lord, one faith & one SPIRITUAL baptism. See next verse cited)
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(MY NOTE: "BY" ONE SPIRIT/Holy Spirit. Believers are baptized "IN" to the Body of Christ. Only Christ can preform spiritual baptism)
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/covenant done By the Lord without hands)
Gal 3:14 So that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
(MY NOTE: The forever (indwelling (Jn 14:16) Holy Spirit (an eternal SEAL of Christ's protection) of Promise is received thru FAITH & no water needed)
2 Cor 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(MY NOTE: Christ/God has given the believer His Holy Spirit as a salvation guarantee. Accessed thru Faith & no H2O required!)
At conversion every believer receives he following GIFTS thru Faith Alone!
HOLY SPIRIT - A gift given thru FAITH: Acts 10:45, 11:17
ETERNAL LIFE - A gift given thru FAITH: Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24
RIGHTEOUSNESS - A gift given thru FAITH: Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18
GRACE - Given freely & received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, Eph 2:5 & 8
A gift is given & not earned.
Baptized by or in, the believer is baptized BY Christ's Holy Spirit IN to His Body (1 Cor 12:13 parsed below). A Christian has Christ-IN-them (no water required).
Col 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
(MY NOTE: When Peter is speaking in Acts 2. He's speaking to Jews only. No gentile is given the Holy Spirit until aprx 7 years later in Acts 10. This mystery/secret isn't revealed until the risen Christ chooses Paul & sends him to the gentiles. Acts 26:15-18)
The message is inverted from be baptized & received the Holy Sprit (Temple My Jews only) To believe & receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10.
Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
(MY NOTE: Rom 5:1-2; God's grace is accessed by faith (no water needed). Here; since therefore, we have now been justified by his blood. Justified means: Declared righteous/placed in a right standing with the Father. Christ is the Justifier:
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus
(MY NOTE Justified via Belief)
Eph 2:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.
9 And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
(MY NOTE: Saved by Grace thru Faith & no self-works, to include water immersion)
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(MY NOTE: One Lord, one faith & one SPIRITUAL baptism. See next verse cited)
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(MY NOTE: "BY" ONE SPIRIT/Holy Spirit. Believers are baptized "IN" to the Body of Christ. Only Christ can preform spiritual baptism)
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/covenant done By the Lord without hands)
Gal 3:14 So that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
(MY NOTE: The forever (indwelling (Jn 14:16) Holy Spirit (an eternal SEAL of Christ's protection) of Promise is received thru FAITH & no water needed)
2 Cor 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(MY NOTE: Christ/God has given the believer His Holy Spirit as a salvation guarantee. Accessed thru Faith & no H2O required!)
At conversion every believer receives he following GIFTS thru Faith Alone!
HOLY SPIRIT - A gift given thru FAITH: Acts 10:45, 11:17
ETERNAL LIFE - A gift given thru FAITH: Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24
RIGHTEOUSNESS - A gift given thru FAITH: Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18
GRACE - Given freely & received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, Eph 2:5 & 8
A gift is given & not earned.
Your comment about the Holy Spirit not dwelling in an unclean vessel brought the following to mind.
Consider that man's make-up consists of spirit, soul and body. Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians references his prayer that they would be held blameless in all three areas. (1 Thess. 5:23) Indicating the reality that a person could be blamed in one or more of the areas. It is interesting to note that Peter presented three requirements associated with the NT rebirth; repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sin and being infilled with the Holy Spirit. The requirements could by design apply individually to the spirit, soul, and body. It is not inconceivable that the Spirit of God comes to dwell in man's spirit, not his mind or body. Thus, revealing that receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is not dependent upon one having first had their sins remitted in obedience to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus.This is likely, when one considers scripture records some receiving the Holy Spirit before, and others after obedience to the command to be water baptized in the Lord's name. One thing is consistent, however, and that is both are required as witnessed in all detailed conversion accounts.
Consider that man's make-up consists of spirit, soul and body. Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians references his prayer that they would be held blameless in all three areas. (1 Thess. 5:23) Indicating the reality that a person could be blamed in one or more of the areas. It is interesting to note that Peter presented three requirements associated with the NT rebirth; repentance, water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sin and being infilled with the Holy Spirit. The requirements could by design apply individually to the spirit, soul, and body. It is not inconceivable that the Spirit of God comes to dwell in man's spirit, not his mind or body. Thus, revealing that receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is not dependent upon one having first had their sins remitted in obedience to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus.This is likely, when one considers scripture records some receiving the Holy Spirit before, and others after obedience to the command to be water baptized in the Lord's name. One thing is consistent, however, and that is both are required as witnessed in all detailed conversion accounts.
You can always come up with a hypothetical, or real situation.... what if I was on my way to the church building to be baptized, but was in a car wreck and killed....
That decision is way above my pay grade.... God knows what's in our hearts, and He loves us.
He also wants us to do as He has asked, to the best of our ability. He would not have said we were to be baptized if He did not mean it. It was never meant to be an "option".
That decision is way above my pay grade.... God knows what's in our hearts, and He loves us.
He also wants us to do as He has asked, to the best of our ability. He would not have said we were to be baptized if He did not mean it. It was never meant to be an "option".
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Except belief is tied to baptism.. He who believes and is baptized will be saved.... obviously if you don't believe, you won't be baptized.
This scripture also does not say you have to have faith. It also does not say you have to call on the name of Jesus....
but other scriptures DO say that.... you should not pick and choose what suits your personal agenda.
This scripture also does not say you have to have faith. It also does not say you have to call on the name of Jesus....
but other scriptures DO say that.... you should not pick and choose what suits your personal agenda.
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And furthermore, if God made exceptions continually based on the multitude of scenarios that could arise in people's lives, each exception would be contrary to his word which is not possible. If you can't trust in God's word, you can't trust in God. His Word is unchanging, and therefore, he makes no exceptions that would violate or contradict himself.
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That's a pretty cheap and nasty accusation.... none of us have "boasted" about what we "do". And we are not adding "works" to grace.
At the very worst, all we "add" to grace is obedience.
If you want to take this discussion down to name calling and false accusations, I'm done with you. If you want to continue discussing, I'm ok with that.
At the very worst, all we "add" to grace is obedience.
If you want to take this discussion down to name calling and false accusations, I'm done with you. If you want to continue discussing, I'm ok with that.
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Peter states he was not about to withstand God AFTER seeing God pour out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles in Acts 10. (Acts 11:17) What did Peter mean about withstanding God? What happened after the group was filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter commanded them to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48) Peter knew to refuse to give the Gentiles the opportunity to be obedient to the command to be baptized in Jesus' name would interfere with God's wishes to grant them repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)
17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18
Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)
It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all comply with God's mandate.
17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:17-18
Jesus paid the penalty for all of mankind’s sin with his blood sacrifice. And man’s obedience to God’s command to be water baptized in Jesus’ name is when each individual’s personal sins are actually remitted/washed away. (See Acts 22:14-16, 2:38)
It only takes a minimal study of the word to see that throughout scripture water baptism is connected to repentance and remission of sin. Whether one submits to it before or after they receive the Holy Ghost is not relevant. What is relevant is that all comply with God's mandate.
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8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Correct.... you do not see baptism there. You also do not see belief there. Or accepting Jesus as your savior. There is not, to my knowledge any ONE scripture that lays it out in a formula. We are to read all the scriptures, and do what they ALL say.
Correct.... you do not see baptism there. You also do not see belief there. Or accepting Jesus as your savior. There is not, to my knowledge any ONE scripture that lays it out in a formula. We are to read all the scriptures, and do what they ALL say.
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Boast?? I didn't mention anything about me. Stick to the word of God, that's what we doing here, and post scriptures and verses, please.
"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism.
Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Roman
"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism.
Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Roman
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