Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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Jesus is God, and scripture says 1 Pet 3:22
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
We will change this to your imagination:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and if he wants, authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
We will change this to your imagination:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and if he wants, authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
That does not change the fact that from 1 Cor 2:6-16, Paul speaks of spiritual matters which go beyond the scope of the gospel. I have shown you the verses ... shown you the meaning of the word teleios ... shown you the verses where the focus transitions from the gospel (milk of the Word) to the mystery, the hidden wisdom (strong meat).
That you prefer to consider the deeper spiritual matters Paul discussed among them that are perfect [Greek teleios - mature, of full age) as anything other than strong meat reveals your ignorance of spiritual matters brought to our attention.
That you prefer to consider the gospel as anything other than the milk of the word which Paul taught to newly born again ones (as well as believers who had been born again for a while, yet never matured to the point of moving on to strong meat) reveals you are just as ignorant of the gospel as you are of the deeper spiritual matters.
read the verses, brightfame52. They tell us that if satan and his minions had known the mystery, even the hidden wisdom they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.
You have agreed that it is satan who has hidden the gospel as revealed in 2 Cor 4:4 ... so satan has known the gospel in order to hide it from mankind. However, if the gospel is the same as the mystery, the hidden wisdom, you've now got satan privy to information God tells us He kept hid (Rom 16:25; Eph 3:5; Eph 3:9; Col 1:26). You must have a very low opinion of God if satan can ferret out information God tells us He kept hid until He revealed it to Paul.
God tells us that if satan and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, satan and his minions would never have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. If the gospel = the mystery, the hidden wisdom, then your Bible falls apart at 1 Cor 2:8 because God tells us that satan would not have crucified Jesus if he had known. Clearly the mystery, the hidden wisdom is not the same as the gospel ... and you can continue to conflate the two and end up not understanding either the mystery, the hidden wisdom or the gospel.
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That you prefer to consider the deeper spiritual matters Paul discussed among them that are perfect [Greek teleios - mature, of full age) as anything other than strong meat reveals your ignorance of spiritual matters brought to our attention.
That you prefer to consider the gospel as anything other than the milk of the word which Paul taught to newly born again ones (as well as believers who had been born again for a while, yet never matured to the point of moving on to strong meat) reveals you are just as ignorant of the gospel as you are of the deeper spiritual matters.
read the verses, brightfame52. They tell us that if satan and his minions had known the mystery, even the hidden wisdom they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.
You have agreed that it is satan who has hidden the gospel as revealed in 2 Cor 4:4 ... so satan has known the gospel in order to hide it from mankind. However, if the gospel is the same as the mystery, the hidden wisdom, you've now got satan privy to information God tells us He kept hid (Rom 16:25; Eph 3:5; Eph 3:9; Col 1:26). You must have a very low opinion of God if satan can ferret out information God tells us He kept hid until He revealed it to Paul.
God tells us that if satan and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, satan and his minions would never have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. If the gospel = the mystery, the hidden wisdom, then your Bible falls apart at 1 Cor 2:8 because God tells us that satan would not have crucified Jesus if he had known. Clearly the mystery, the hidden wisdom is not the same as the gospel ... and you can continue to conflate the two and end up not understanding either the mystery, the hidden wisdom or the gospel.
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He didn't change His mind. He went with His response to those who repent.
Option 1...destruction for those who ignore His warnings.
Option 2...not to bring destruction for those who repent.
Not a change of mind. God's ever-present reactions to a given situation. Option 1 was stated. Option 2 was implied.
The reason we know it was implied is that Jonah himself knew God might forgive them in repentance and, thus, didn't want to go.
Option 1...destruction for those who ignore His warnings.
Option 2...not to bring destruction for those who repent.
Not a change of mind. God's ever-present reactions to a given situation. Option 1 was stated. Option 2 was implied.
The reason we know it was implied is that Jonah himself knew God might forgive them in repentance and, thus, didn't want to go.
Imagine if it were true God cannot change his mind. 😳
That would nullify mercy. And grace.
I think you're encountering a base that argues contrary to scripture for the sake of watching to see how long you'll go at it.
When scripture doesn't exist for them will your argument overcome their error?
That would nullify mercy. And grace.
I think you're encountering a base that argues contrary to scripture for the sake of watching to see how long you'll go at it.
When scripture doesn't exist for them will your argument overcome their error?
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No. Wrong again as usual.
There is no scope of things spiritual that are beyond the gospel. The gospel is Christ, and it is fully complete within itself, period. Those who need milk have not yet understood or found that basic principle reflected within the Bible. Those to whom strong meat belongs have exercised their senses to be able to find the gospel- grace through Christ verses works - echoed throughout the Bible. The Bible was written solely for and about Christ, but not everyone who has been saved are immediately able to find Christ in it, and until they grow in it, except for certain obvious exceptions, tend to perceive it as predominately historical. Read the below verses, especially 2Tim 16 - 17. Observe the "perfect, thoroughly furnished" part of 2:17.
[Psa 40:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
[2Ti 3:15-17 KJV]
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[2Ti 3:17 KJV] 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Provide examples of the "deeper spiritual matters" not of the gospel of which you speak.
No, wrong again as usual. They are the same. It was kept hidden from "his minions" until Christ's offering was completed on the cross after which, they could no longer hinder nor stop it, and it became visible to them. It was hidden only from the
"princes of this world". The princes of this world are they of satan.
It was NOT first revealed to Paul. There were many before Paul to whom it had been revealed by God.
Again, provide an example of the "hidden wisdom" that is not gospel, as you perceive it.
(By the way, your understanding of Rom 16:25, Eph 3:5, and Col 1:26 is completely wong)
[1Co 2:8 KJV] 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
There is no scope of things spiritual that are beyond the gospel. The gospel is Christ, and it is fully complete within itself, period. Those who need milk have not yet understood or found that basic principle reflected within the Bible. Those to whom strong meat belongs have exercised their senses to be able to find the gospel- grace through Christ verses works - echoed throughout the Bible. The Bible was written solely for and about Christ, but not everyone who has been saved are immediately able to find Christ in it, and until they grow in it, except for certain obvious exceptions, tend to perceive it as predominately historical. Read the below verses, especially 2Tim 16 - 17. Observe the "perfect, thoroughly furnished" part of 2:17.
[Psa 40:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
[2Ti 3:15-17 KJV]
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[2Ti 3:17 KJV] 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Provide examples of the "deeper spiritual matters" not of the gospel of which you speak.
No, wrong again as usual. They are the same. It was kept hidden from "his minions" until Christ's offering was completed on the cross after which, they could no longer hinder nor stop it, and it became visible to them. It was hidden only from the
"princes of this world". The princes of this world are they of satan.
It was NOT first revealed to Paul. There were many before Paul to whom it had been revealed by God.
Again, provide an example of the "hidden wisdom" that is not gospel, as you perceive it.
(By the way, your understanding of Rom 16:25, Eph 3:5, and Col 1:26 is completely wong)
[1Co 2:8 KJV] 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Changed or completed?
God promised David would be king and anointed him. David had nothing to fear. He would be king.
God told Jonah to go to Nineveh. Jonah's original resistance made no difference in his going.
If God purposes something, it comes to pass.
Simply because God doesn't make His entire intention known immediately doesn't mean He has changed His mind.
I agree everything isn't written in stone. But I'm of the belief that God is directing far more than many suspect.
God promised David would be king and anointed him. David had nothing to fear. He would be king.
God told Jonah to go to Nineveh. Jonah's original resistance made no difference in his going.
If God purposes something, it comes to pass.
Simply because God doesn't make His entire intention known immediately doesn't mean He has changed His mind.
I agree everything isn't written in stone. But I'm of the belief that God is directing far more than many suspect.
Changed.
If he hadn't watched his Ps and Qs, Saul would have killed him.
God wants everyone to be saved. Is that going to come to pass?
Did God purpose to flood the world, or was that a response to what mankind had become (thanks to the nephilim)?
The Bible is very clear that God does in fact change His mind.
God does direct things. He also genuinely responds to things.
If he hadn't watched his Ps and Qs, Saul would have killed him.
God wants everyone to be saved. Is that going to come to pass?
Did God purpose to flood the world, or was that a response to what mankind had become (thanks to the nephilim)?
The Bible is very clear that God does in fact change His mind.
God does direct things. He also genuinely responds to things.
I'm surprised you don't believe God can purpose something and guarantee it's success. Do you believe in security for the believer?
Either God can or He cannot bring to pass all He purposes.
God desires all to be saved. If He purposed it, it would be so.
God purposed the flood. And then He purposed no more floods to that degree. Are you in the least worried that the world will again be destroyed by a flood?
God doesn't change His mind. He works within the choices He has ordained.
Either God can or He cannot bring to pass all He purposes.
God desires all to be saved. If He purposed it, it would be so.
God purposed the flood. And then He purposed no more floods to that degree. Are you in the least worried that the world will again be destroyed by a flood?
God doesn't change His mind. He works within the choices He has ordained.
Well look who chimed in, another one who muzzles God’s grace. I’m tired of handling with kid gloves those who are guilty of perverting the Gospel.
Jesus makes it quite clear it would be better for such people to have a large millstone tied around their neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea than to cause people to stumble.
Jesus makes it quite clear it would be better for such people to have a large millstone tied around their neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea than to cause people to stumble.
You don't need handle me with kid gloves whatever you think that might entail - and I haven't been at all impressed with your intellect nor knowledge of the Bible that your opinion should matter to me.
To muzzle God's grace is to place barriers and requirements to obtaining it, rather than of it being fully and completely a gift from God. It is you who pervert grace believing that the following of law and works will bring it. You would love your justification to be by the works of law, but it is quite clear the Bible states that will not/cannot happen.
To muzzle God's grace is to place barriers and requirements to obtaining it, rather than of it being fully and completely a gift from God. It is you who pervert grace believing that the following of law and works will bring it. You would love your justification to be by the works of law, but it is quite clear the Bible states that will not/cannot happen.