Why do christian woman refuse to wear headscarf when praying?

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Blade

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Not sure why some people do this and no offense to anyone but its like with the OT some will just take "parts" of it and try to apply it to today same thing here. Your reading about a time what over 2000 thousands years ago and trying to apply it to now? Its how they dressed back then. Go back and look how the 12/120/3000 use to dress.. should all MEN dress like that?

It does nothing what so ever for prayer. Its like some trying to cast out a demon and they will YELL when in truth you could whisper that name above ever name for there is no time or space in the spiritual realm. So how we dress does not do anything in prayer. Some like it I think because its GOD is their Father and love showing Him honor glory respect that kind of thing and that I will not touch.

I share some times how I grew up in this bible study where this grandmother...oh had more power of GOD.. she prayed it always I mean always happened. Lol she ALWAYS every time in the years I knew her ALWAYS had her hair up no clue why. Never down in public. And she always wore a dress. Today we stand up front in jeans with holes and.. were talking about the king of kings lord of lord. You know very time a Angel talks with Christ they bow as they leave. Sorry...got lost there.

But the head covering was what they did back then. You want to do it praise GOD...your holy and just and righteous simply because you believe in trust in Jesus Christ.
 

Magenta

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You don't have to be a feminist (of any stripe) to see that the claim that any woman who doesn't wear
a head covering (besides her hair) is in open rebellion against God and destined for hell
is ridiculous.

And no, I'm not a feminist.

It's really stupid that anyone who speaks up for a man is accused of upholding "patriarchy" and that
anyone who speaks up for a woman is accused of upholding feminism and rebellion against God's order.

I've posted against feminism many times before in these forums, but I can't get on board with this head covering OP.
This may be of interest to some (I have posted it before .:D.) ~

When Eve was made for Adam, the term used to describe her role was ezer kenegdo.

Re: Hebrew ezer kenegdo.

The Hebrew word ezer is a combination of two roots: `-z-r, meaning "to rescue, to save," and g-z-r, meaning "to be strong."

In Genesis 2:18, the word "helpmeet" does not occur. The Hebrew expression ezer kenegdo appears,
meaning "one who is the same as the other and who surrounds, protects, aids, helps, supports." The
combination of these two Hebrew words has two roots: `-z-r, meaning "to rescue, to save," and g-z-r,
meaning "to be strong." There is no indication of inferiority or of a secondary position in an hierarchical
separation of the male and female "spheres" of responsibility, authority, or social position.


Biblical use of the word ezer often refers to either God or military allies. In all other cases the one
giving the help is superior to the one receiving the help. Adding kenegdo (meet) modifies the meaning
to that of equal rather than superior status. Scripture is so awesome. God says just what He means.


The word ezer is used twice in the Old Testament to refer to the female and 14 times to refer to
God.For example, in the Psalms when David says, "The Lord is my Helper," he uses the word ezer.


Click

and click again.

New: Men have dominated, subjugated, and tried to control women for ages, and
then some label anything that attests to her desire for autonomy equality and
freedom as feminism and the main cause for all the ills in the world
.:unsure::rolleyes:
 

jb

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The bible is clear, cover your hair when you pray!

Why call yourself christian when not wanting to follow what bible says?
Get a life and stop being pernickety!
 

SomeDisciple

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it is somewhat saddening that whenever this topic comes up; it seems like it is always a "throw-a-grenade-in-the-room" thread; and no one seems to want to have actual discourse and explore the topic... and I think that's where the visceral accusations of radical feminism and misogeny come from... if everyone just has their opinion, or whatever their pastor said, or study bible says and doesn't want to actually uncover what the scriptures are saying... then the accusations are basically true- we're all just a bunch of jerks with unsupported opinions lashing out at each other because someone suggested we might be wrong.

But what is most ridiculous about this is.... this is a scripture that applies to BOTH men, and women. NOBODY should be quick to dismiss it as "just a cultural custom" OR be quick to declare that it's hard doctrine without some kind of due diligence.

But... I do find, in my own experience, that women seem to be more offended at the idea of having to cover, than men are offended at not covering... I don't know why. Personally, I think the "tallit" is pretty cool... but if doctrine says not to cover with it in church, then I'm submitting to doctrine; and that's the attitude we need to have about it. And the opposite applies too: if it's not, then it's not.
 
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Get a life and stop being pernickety!
huh? its a forum. just some stuff are allowed to discuss? also you are the one who lives on this forum, im only here once a month
 

Magenta

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huh? its a forum. just some stuff are allowed to discuss? also you are the one who lives on this forum, im only here once a month
Make sure to be wearing your robe next time. Bye for now.
 

posthuman

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But what is most ridiculous about this is.... this is a scripture that applies to BOTH men, and women. NOBODY should be quick to dismiss it as "just a cultural custom" OR be quick to declare that it's hard doctrine without some kind of due diligence.


i did not read the thread at all.





i think it's interesting that when Deuteronomy 22:5 was given, men and women basically wore identical garments - long tunics with a belt or sash.



so i think we shouldn't dismiss this as simply pertaining to pants or skirts, either.



But... I do find, in my own experience, that women seem to be more offended at the idea of having to cover, than men are offended at not covering...


well it's a bit more effort to put on a cover than it is to not. plus there is an implicit connotation with putting on a covering that there is something untoward which needs to be hidden - whereas something that ought not be hidden is a natural source of vanity.



so for a woman there is both an additional 'hassle' and an implied sense that may be taken as shame, but for a man there is a potential for pride and no 'burden' of additional activity apart from maybe taking off a hat if he happens to have a habit of wearing one.
 
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It's all symbolic. Christ is our covering and it is only through Him that we have access to the throne of grace. Humility is our cloak and contrition our veil.
The covering is the temple veil and it reveals the supremacy of Jesus cause he is the head of the Church.He's behind the veil in the Holy of Holies.
The spirit of the Lord rested upon the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenantin the OT.Jesus sits on the right side of the Lord,So the cherubim on the right of the mercy seat is in the image of the blood.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.Who had God's fulness in him.The father has given everything to the son.
That means that the spirit of the Lord rests on the mercy seat and the blood sacrifice is 'spilt' daily on the mercy seat.
Jesus also said he is the water, and the blood.It's undeniable that Jesus is God in the flesh.
The reason why Governments have invested in guillotines is the same reason why they want to tint your blood.Because the serpent strikes for the blood.Just like in the garden of Eden.And when he's released for a short time,he will go for the blood again.
 

Cameron143

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The covering is the temple veil and it reveals the supremacy of Jesus cause he is the head of the Church.He's behind the veil in the Holy of Holies.
The spirit of the Lord rested upon the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenantin the OT.Jesus sits on the right side of the Lord,So the cherubim on the right of the mercy seat is in the image of the blood.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.Who had God's fulness in him.The father has given everything to the son.
That means that the spirit of the Lord rests on the mercy seat and the blood sacrifice is 'spilt' daily on the mercy seat.
Jesus also said he is the water, and the blood.It's undeniable that Jesus is God in the flesh.
The reason why Governments have invested in guillotines is the same reason why they want to tint your blood.Because the serpent strikes for the blood.Just like in the garden of Eden.And when he's released for a short time,he will go for the blood again.
Well, the veil has been torn and we now have access to the real holy of holies through Christ. We are encouraged to come boldly to the throne of grace. We no longer need a high priest to offer sacrifice for us each year but our High Priest has once and for all made an end to sacrifice and made us all priests.
The shadow of things is gone. We have a new and everlasting covenant.
 

birdie

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The bible is clear, cover your hair when you pray!

Why call yourself christian when not wanting to follow what bible says?

Romans 4:7 tells us that saved persons have their sins covered: "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered"

All saved Christians can be described by the picture of a woman in the Bible, since they are called a woman in relation to Christ. Remember, the 5 virgins who are ready when Christ comes. Although they are pictured as virgin women, we know that this is meaning all saved believers in Christ, both men and women. The Bible in 1 Corinthians 11 mentions women (and this is a picture of all believers as well) needing a covering, and we see that this is hair. Hair is a picture of the gospel. The gospel tells us that Jesus died and rose again to cover our sins. So, every true believer who has received the gospel is covered. That is what these verses in 1 Corinthians 11 are telling us. If a person has not received the gospel, then their sins are not covered. The verses tell us that this is a shame, because their sins are not covered. Metaphorically, they have no hair covering.

Similarly, Jesus is pictured as a man. He is the bridegroom. Since he is without sin, he does not need a covering. It would be a shame to cover up righteousness, as the verses in 1 Corinthians tell us.

Physical things, like whether you wear a hat, a scarf, or have long or short hair or no hair at all, or what clothes you wear, etc. are of no consequence to having your sins covered. Incidentally, if you try to read the Bible as a surface text without seeing it as a parable in need of proper interpretation, then you will not only have trouble understanding the Bible, but may impose upon yourself and others a lot of strange rituals and doctrines that a surface reading of the Bible would require. To use one example mentioned here already, you might read the verse about 5 virgins ready for Christ and say that only 5 virgin women will be saved.
 

BonnieClaire

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This is a beautiful picture. What church are you part of?
Please tell the story behind this picture.

These women from across the pond are well covered . . . which makes it better for bad hair days.
As for me I'm from Nevada, which is obvious from my Nevada accent. ;)
 

studentoftheword

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This Folks is an interesting read and commentary on this ------it is quite enlightening and I think explains the Scripture on ! Corinthians 11 :1-16 -----in a way that is understandable ------

Worth the read -----Just posting short pieces of this scripture and commentary ---so read all for yourselves ---Worth the whole read ===

https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/1-corinthians-11/

A. Instruction concerning women in the worship service.
1. (1) A call to follow the example of Paul.
a. Imitate me: Paul knew he followed Jesus, so he did not hesitate to tell the Corinthian Christians to imitate his walk with the Lord. He knew the Corinthian Christians needed examples, and he was willing to be such an example.

i. Paul simply did what he told his young associate Timothy to do: Be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity (1 Timothy 4:12).

2. (2-3) The principle of headship.
i. Head is an important word in this chapter. Some consider head to mean nothing more than source, in the sense that the head of a river is its source. Though this word can mean this, Paul is not simply saying, “Man came from Jesus, woman came from man, and Jesus came from God.” Though that simple understanding is true, it goes much deeper, because in Biblical thinking a source has inherent authority. If something comes from me, there is some appropriate authority I have over it.

ii. In its full sense, head has the idea of headship and authority. It means to have the appropriate responsibility to lead, and the matching accountability. It is right and appropriate to submit to someone who is our head.

iii. With this understanding, we see Paul describes three “headship” relationships: Jesus is head of every man; man is the head of woman, and God (the Father) is head of Christ. Because Paul connects the three relationships, the principles of headship are the same among them.

i. The idea of headship and authority is important to God. In His great plan for the ages, one great thing God looks for from man is voluntary submission. This is what Jesus showed in His life over and over again, and this is exactly what God looks for from both men and women, though it will be expressed in different ways.

ii. It is essential to understand that being under authority does not equal inferiority. Jesus was totally under the authority of God the Father (John 5:19 and 8:28), yet He is equally God (John 1:1, 8:58, and 10:30). When God calls women in the church to recognize the headship of men, it is not because women are unequal or inferior, but because there is a God-ordained order of authority to be respected.

3. (4-6) The application of the principle of headship among the Corinthian Christians.
. His head covered… her head uncovered:

The idea of a head covering was important in this (and many other) ancient cultures. To wear the head covering (or veil in some translations), was a public symbol of being under the authority and protection of another.

. Who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered:

For a woman to do this said by her actions “I am not under authority here.” And because God has established that the head of woman is man (1 Corinthians 11:3), it dishonors the men (her head) for a woman to say this by refusing to wear a head covering.

i. Under these words of Paul, women are free to pray or prophesy, but only when as they demonstrate that they are under the authority of the male leadership of the church.

Having a woman’s head shorn or shaved meant different things in different cultures. In Jewish law, it was the mark of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31). In the Greek world, it could be the mark of a prostitute or lesbian.

4. (7-10) Why is it important to respect the principle of headship in the church?

i. Since one reason for male headship is the order and manner in which God created man and woman – something which was present before the fall – this passage makes it clear that before and after the fall, God has ordained there be a difference in the roles between genders, even in the church. The fall did not cause the difference in gender roles (in the church and in the home), and the difference in roles is not erased by our new life in Jesus.

. Because of the angels: A third reason God has established male headship in the church is the presence of angels in corporate worship.

i. Angels are present at any assembly of Christians for worship and they note any departure from reverent order. Apparently, angels are offended by any violation of propriety.

. (11-12) Headship in light of the interdependence of men and women.

b. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman: Though Paul has recognized the order of creation, and related it to the principle of male headship in the church, he is also careful to remember even so man also comes through woman. There is a critical interdependence that must be recognized, within the framework of male headship in the church and in the home.

i. “But on the other side, since the creation of the first man, all men are by the woman, who conceives them in her womb, suckles them at her breasts, is concerned in their education while children, and dandled upon her knees; the man therefore hath no reason to despise and too much to trample upon the woman.” (Poole)

6. (13-16) Appealing to experience, nature, common sense, and apostolic authority.

Does not even nature itself teach: In both Jewish and Greek cultures, short hair was common for men. Therefore it was a dishonor for a man to wear long hair, because it was considered feminine.

i. From as long as we have known, women have generally worn their hair longer than men have. In some cultures and at some times, men have worn their hair longer than other times, but no matter how long men have worn their hair women in general have always worn their hair longer.

Based on this verse, many people have thought that it is a sin for a man to wear long hair, or at least hair that is considered long by the culture. But long hair in itself can be no sin; after all, Paul apparently had long hair for a time in Corinth as a part of a vow (Acts 18:18). But, the vow would not have meant anything if long hair was the norm; that’s what Paul is getting at.
 

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I had an Irish teacher in Elementary school too. Also, I learned how to speak it.
Gaelic is an interesting language... I wouldn't mind learning some of it. We plan to be in Ireland in September.... we are definitely looking forward to it.
 

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Gaelic is an interesting language... I wouldn't mind learning some of it. We plan to be in Ireland in September.... we are definitely looking forward to it.
The original Gaelic is the language in How Green was my Valley. French takes a lifetime to master, if you can actually communicate in French, you and France must be doing pretty well, and I don't know tht the world is at that much peace myself. "Modern Gaelic" according to Dublin University, which printed a grammar book, is more a half encoded 1984 slang program. But I have picked out their non grammatical program well enough to understand them though.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Gaelic is an interesting language... I wouldn't mind learning some of it. We plan to be in Ireland in September.... we are definitely looking forward to it.
My dad was a native Gaeilge speaker. He didn't pass it on as he thought it was a dead language that would be of no use to us.
I have a New Testament in Irish, I wish I could read it.