Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5

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And Russia is cowering in the face of Ukraine having good equipment and well trained troops. They are ready to negotiate...Ukraine is unwilling until Russia leaves Crimea.
Good grief man the leaked docs say just the opposite!
 

HeIsHere

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Why are you wasting your time?
I agree, however, thinking back I was initially one of those who supported Ukraine, I thought I had good understanding of the conflict, however, eventually with information given to me that was irrefutable I changed my view point.

Sometimes it is indeed a waste of time, for me it was a one off so I was more open, however it people have a liberal/left world view as did Jaybo very hard to shake them loose from their delusions or if they are emotionally invested, no point at all.
 

JohnDB

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I agree, however, thinking back I was initially one of those who supported Ukraine, I thought I had good understanding of the conflict, however, eventually with information given to me that was irrefutable I changed my view point.

Sometimes it is indeed a waste of time, for me it was a one off so I was more open, however it people have a liberal/left world view as did Jaybo very hard to shake them loose from their delusions or if they are emotionally invested, no point at all.
So you are saying that the Republicans were wrong then and that the Republicans are still wrong today?

Because in both instances it is a Republican led Congress that made the laws that force Biden to give Ukraine the Aide they are getting....
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That Ukranians should just roll over and be ready for Russian slavery....because those who were enslaved in Crimea were enslaved....those who escaped joined the Ukranian military to try to liberate their neighborhood and their homes.
 

SomeDisciple

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Check the wayback machine and you will discover that the annexation of Crimea took place AFTER the (cough cough) "Revolution of Dignity".

That may or may not assuage your umbrage and anguish a little, depending upon your perception of "the enemy".
I guess it's not sinking in... What if we started calling The Jan.6 incidents ..

"THE RIOT OF DIGNITY!"

Then it would be a good thing, right- it says so right in the name, "dignity".
 

ZNP

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I guess it's not sinking in... What if we started calling The Jan.6 incidents ..

"THE RIOT OF DIGNITY!"

Then it would be a good thing, right- it says so right in the name, "dignity".
I'm thinking "useful sightseeing trip of idiots" is more accurate.
 

cv5

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I guess it's not sinking in... What if we started calling The Jan.6 incidents ..

"THE RIOT OF DIGNITY!"

Then it would be a good thing, right- it says so right in the name, "dignity".
Trudy is pulling the same stunt with his "Just Transition" nonsense.

Transition from stability and prosperity to energy penury, concomitant social disorder, perpetual crisis and then civilian and soverign bankruptcy.

Great reset....from bad to intolerably worse. Like prison planet worse.

Build back better....but just-us (me and my .001% globalist gangsta homies) and certainly not you. And you will own nothing and be happy or you will be tagged, put on a watchlist and have your bank account seized.
 

cv5

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So you are saying that the Republicans were wrong then and that the Republicans are still wrong today?

Because in both instances it is a Republican led Congress that made the laws that force Biden to give Ukraine the Aide they are getting....
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That Ukranians should just roll over and be ready for Russian slavery....because those who were enslaved in Crimea were enslaved....those who escaped joined the Ukranian military to try to liberate their neighborhood and their homes.
Did that Julian Assange video I posted not sink in buddy? Get a clue. PLEASE.
 

cv5

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So you are saying that the Republicans were wrong then and that the Republicans are still wrong today?

Because in both instances it is a Republican led Congress that made the laws that force Biden to give Ukraine the Aide they are getting....
AND
That Ukranians should just roll over and be ready for Russian slavery....because those who were enslaved in Crimea were enslaved....those who escaped joined the Ukranian military to try to liberate their neighborhood and their homes.
 

JohnDB

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Did that Julian Assange video I posted not sink in buddy? Get a clue. PLEASE.
Because I considered the source...a known morally bankrupt man.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Some seem to imagine that Russia is justified in waging war against Ukraine. I would like to know what nation is squeaky clean enough to point the finger at supposedly evil Ukraine. When I look at a country, my first thought is, would I like to live there? Would I prefer America to China? I've not visited China, but I know enough to say that I would rather live in America. It's far from perfect, but you can vote out the administration if you don't like it. Or can be bothered voting.

Would I prefer Russia to Ukraine? No. As has been said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Putin has entrenched himself in power and who can dislodge him?

America has its own problems. If God is using Russia to punish Ukraine, then watch out Americans. You are no better than Ukraine. China is your nemesis. And Australia will be caught up in the conflict as well.
I suspect that the Ukraine HAS SOMETHING that Russia wants for purely economic reasons, and "Justification" was never even a consideration in any of this fiasco. "Business" doesn't CARE about "morals", or "Right and wrong". Nothing matters but the bottom line.
 

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And what of Zelenski? Squeaky clean choirboy?
If you’re going to play the whataboutism game, why don’t you have a peek at the rest of the squeaky clean choirboys at work through history?

Sir Winston Churchill - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

FDR - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

DJT - the archetype of a squeaky clean choirboy.

Honestly, I don’t think squeaky clean choirboys works well in times of crisis.
 

JohnDB

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I suspect that the Ukraine HAS SOMETHING that Russia wants for purely economic reasons, and "Justification" was never even a consideration in any of this fiasco. "Business" doesn't CARE about "morals", or "Right and wrong". Nothing matters but the bottom line.
It's been Ukranians ports in Crimea and mining operations in Ukraine. Not to mention the huge amount of groceries grown there in their flat areas with a much longer growing season than Russia.
The Crimean ports never freeze over in the winter the way the Russian ports do. Just a few pipelines and viola...Russia can sell more oil AND the Ukranian agricultural products must be sold to Russia for whatever price Russia wants to pay. Because Russian Oligarchs don't like paying market price for groceries. They sell them for market price or higher....but they have been strong arming Ukranian farmers for decades.

It came to a head after Russia sized Crimea in 2014. (They had a Russian Oligarch puppet as their leader) In response Ukranians cut off the main water supply to Crimea with a dam. (Their military was poorly equipped or trained at the time....but they have been preparing heavily since Zelinsky came into office.)

Russia has been heavily using disinformation and propaganda since Zelenski came into office with reports that he is a nazi (Zelenski is part jewish) that he uses drugs, is a thief, and all sorts of propaganda. Especially that those who speak Russian are poorly treated by Ukranians. (Russian Government gave Russians money to buy property and live in Ukraine...just so some would live there) Russia's initial assault was successful only because some Ukranian officials in Southern Ukraine accepted bribes. (Strong armed into it)

One of the prisoner exchanges recently was of a Russian Oligarch that was one of Putin's best friends that was in the government in Ukraine. (Smelling a rat yet?) Putin was in charge of the KGB....how does he even know anyone in Ukraine? How did this guy get get to be important in Ukraine?

Now that Ukraine has cut ties with Russia because they get treated better by the entire world outside of Russia....all of a sudden Russia invades. Go figure eh?
 

JohnDB

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If you’re going to play the whataboutism game, why don’t you have a peek at the rest of the squeaky clean choirboys at work through history?

Sir Winston Churchill - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

FDR - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

DJT - the archetype of a squeaky clean choirboy.

Honestly, I don’t think squeaky clean choirboys works well in times of crisis.
There are times you need a mean junkyard dog in a street fight...and God has raised up these leaders for our benefit...so we can have lives and a legacy.
 

cv5

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If you’re going to play the whataboutism game, why don’t you have a peek at the rest of the squeaky clean choirboys at work through history?

Sir Winston Churchill - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

FDR - a typical squeaky clean choirboy.

DJT - the archetype of a squeaky clean choirboy.

Honestly, I don’t think squeaky clean choirboys works well in times of crisis.
The difference between you and I is that you trust these "leaders" and I do not trust them as far as I can throw them.
In fact I would indict then arrest Putin, Zelensky and Biden (and many others) then put them all on trial if I had the power to do so.

They are all headed to the lake of fire BTW.
 

cv5

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In fact I would indict then arrest Putin, Zelensky and Biden (and many others) then put them all on trial if I had the power to do so
A little OT.....but germane to my post above. Now arrest him and his criminal pal Zelensky.

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