Ukraine the bad guy?

Only a fool would allow megalomaniac Putin to take over eastern Europe. The USSR fell apart and millions were vastly better off as a result. Some people here seem to think that Putin is some kind of messiah who should be allowed to take back control of the former puppet states. And why would he stop there? If he can bully Ukraine into submission, then the rest of Europe is under threat. It won't happen. If he starts a nuclear war, there will be nothing left to control. And his vaunted military has proven to be poorly led, poorly trained, poorly armed and poorly motivated. Putin's "few days" is over a year and he is no closer to success now than when he illegally and immorally invaded a sovereign nation.

Putin had a neutral Ukraine. What's so hard to comprehend about that? Ukraine had not applied to join. NATO countries were running down their military, as Mr Trump pointedly said, and Russia illegally occupied Ukrainian territory for 8 years without incident. All that Mr Putin has achieved is to unite NATO, reinvigorate their military and get neutral Finland to Join NATO. Which, I suspect, is exactly what he did not want.

Nuland, McCain and Graham said otherwise. In Ukraine, while surrounded by uniformed Ukrainian soldiers. Openly boasting in the most bombastic terms imaginable about a soon to be defeated Russia by means of the newly rearmed Ukraine rump state, so installed after the 2014 coup.

Do you actually want me to post the videos?

My bad! I didn't extend my information far enough for you & your uninformed misinformation! Why did Russia claim it needed to invade Ukraine?

Because of land or oil? To protect itself? To a small extent. But the big reason was to unify Big Russia with Little Russians! I watched Putin's speech after the invasion. He spoke again and again of rescuing Russians from Russian-speaking Ukrainians being forced to learn Ukrainian. In fact, most of those Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine are learning to speak Ukrainian, so they won't be identified as Russians. They are still proud of their Ukrainian citizenship & identity.

And if you knew anything about Ukraine, you would understand that western Ukrainians tend to use Polish as their second language, although some Russian words have crept into their vocabularies! Western Ukraine has nothing to do with Russian issues, because they were ruled by Lithuania, Poland & Austria. That is where my grandparents came from - western Ukraine! My maiden name was actually Polish, although my grandfather was born & raised in Ukraine. My father's maternal grandmother was also Polish, although she Ukrainianized her name. You show your total ignorance of Ukrainian history, when you talk about redressing the wrongs from 300 years ago.

Try 80 years ago for the Holomodor, and till the 1990's Russia's control of the Soviet Union, shipping millions of Ukrainians through WWI, WWII, and post WWII, to
The Gulags in Siberia, up till the despicable Soviet Union finally collapsed, only to be taken over by Putin & his goons, a current dictator who admires Stalin, his hero. So, I'm talking about right now, because right now Ukraine is being bombed, with thousands dying, & infrastructure destroyed by the current dictator.

As for rejecting Timothy Snyder, it goes to show how incredibly narrow minded you are. He is a humanist, and declares so. But a humanist in terms of his sorrow over what Stalin and the Soviet Union did to Ukrainian peasants, over & over. Stalin starved & murdered literally millions of Ukrainians. Up to 6 million during the Holomodor in 1932-33, and hundreds of thousands of others in political purges such as 1937-38, of the people he himself put into power in Ukraine. And after WWII until his death, he continued to
Murder not just Ukrainians, but any other ethnicity if he so chose!

I read the mainstream news daily in Canada. I want to see what propaganda and lies they are feeding Canadians. During the Pandemic, it was threats and pushing vaxes! The Freedom Convoy, was composed of people protesting mandatory vaccines. The Convoy was torn down in our media as radical, violent rebels, destroying Ottawa. In fact, that is how Trudeau shut them down! By claiming their violence was a threat, and invoking the War Measures Act, renamed the Emergency Act. Pastors & churches who refused to close their doors, were jailed & fined. What violence, you ask? Bouncy castles for the kids, and barbecues. Even people in Ottawa admitted there was no violence. Yet the 2 leaders have been held without bail for over a year. Trudeau hates anyone who thwarts his dictatorship! Trudeau openly admitted the country he admired most was Communist China, because "they could get things done!" This is the arrogant prime minister who called Canadians racists & misogynists for supporting the Freedom or Trucker's Convoy, who had a high percentage of people of every race, to say nothing of women & children! I know this, because I read all the news, not just people I agree with. I guess being educated has made a difference in being able to assess public information & how true it is or not!

I had first hand knowledge of how bad the globalist brainwashing was in Canada by our media. I didn't have to read it second hand in an alternate media. When people posted it was happening, I was able to affirm what I had read in the MSM because I kept an eye open. Our gov't bought & paid for CBC was outed so many times on lies & falsehoods about the Freedom Convoy, vaxes, etc. CBC has always been a paid for by the gov't media outlet. But since Trudeau took office in 2015, he has dictated who they hire, and what they print!

The other exciting thing for me, reading the MSM in Canada, is watching them change their tune lately. Trudeau has had one scandal after another. But 11 MPs were given money from CCP. Trudeau denied he knew about it, Trudeau denied he had been briefed on it, turns out to be a total lie. He was briefed 5 times on the CCP and Chinese influence in our last 2 elections, which Trudeau barely won. That was the last straw even for our paid for left wing media!

Our media is finally turning against Trudeau & about time! I have made sure I have always read both or many sides of an issue. You are the definition of an uninformed person, because you will not listen to any viewpoint you disagree with. Except in the case of Timothy Snyder, he actually tells the truth. He's studied in Poland & Ukraine, read historical reviews written by the people who lived during those times, and how evil that the Soviet Union and Stalin were, and now Putin & Russia. Stay narrow minded, with your "America is the centre of the universe" theory, & that the US is somehow a major player in this war. Defend the evil, paranoid dictator Putin, who is an assassin in fact! Putin is trying to bring back the glory days when Russia and then the Soviet Union exercised absolute power over Ukraine. Support Russian's cultural & language genocide of Ukrainians & their language! It's just another indication of how you have not researched both sides of this conflict! Not meaning the US & Russia, but Russia and its unjustified invasion of Ukraine. Even Austria & Poland never committed cultural genocide when they ruled Ukraine. Austria controlled western Ukrainian for centuries, when my grandparents lived there. They left to find a better life in Canada. They did not run and escape from certain genocide, like Ukrainians today!

I'm in constant contact with Ukrainian news from Ukraine. In Ukrainian, which I have just learned to read! The blame for the Russian invasion is laid on the KGB goon, Putin. No one expects American troops on the front lines. You are so out of touch with reality. You said my children could go & fight in Ukraine. Not so much! They are all too old to be in active military service. In their 40s & 50s! But, my cousins in Ukraine, several times removed (meaning from generations distant from mine!) did enter the armed forces in Ukraine, to defend their country, and died doing it!

You & CV5 really belong in this forum. You are fellow co-conspirators! You think you are uncovering conspiracies, when you are perpetuating them. You are both totally uniformed as to the true cause of this invasion- Russian pride & greed! Open your eyes to the truth. No one wants to hear your Russian misinformation which you have both bought into!

Thanks for this link! I got it in a Ukrainian group I am part of, and the source was not referenced, because the group has a rule against any links!

This video is of a mash hospital on the front lines during this past winter.
Its bloody, brutal, and ugly and it doesn't stop. The language is coarse and vulgar. But listen to the doctors and nurses and WHY they are there. Hint: "This is my home".

Totally agree with you regarding Canada and Trudy. 100%. It is morphing into a semi-dictatorship. By far the most corrupt admin in all of Canadian history. And the entire cabinet is guilty as hell and in on it.

But as for Ukraine/Russia? There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that there would have been no outright war/invasion if Ukraine remained neutral and the groundwork/rearmament for war were not prepared by the West. Ukrainians were a tool of the West and Europe got a punch in the face by the US/Britian.

Russia (a thoroughly corrupt oppressive regime though it is) primarily wants to do business. Make money. Improve their living standards. And yes, build up their military. They have several fragile pipelines going thru Ukraine, and NS 1 & 2 to Europe. This war never was and is not now within their interest. But they are going to take land and booty now that it is underway. This is the way of war. But the primary objective is to force terms for peace that include neutrality for Ukraine. Perfectly understandable under the circumstances.

So start peace negotiations without preconditions and see where they go. Instantly ending the hostilities and bloodshed.

But nope....the "Putin bad man" psy-ops sticks like glue to the feeble-minded, and serves to $$$further enrich$$$ Zelensky and his cronies and the Big Guy and his clan.

If Europeans were not as dumb as a bag of hammers (and their leaders spineless and traitorous), none of this would have happened.

Little potato is a mid-level capo in the international mafia.
A global supra-national government is the goal, and he dutifully is playing his part. Understandable given that he is the illegitimate son of the dictator.

Never forget.....PM's make an oath to the crown, not the Canadian subjects!
We are nothing but chattel and tax farm/debt farm cattle to the ruling class. Lying to us day in and day out is, for them, not the slightest bit unethical. I mean, since when is a wolf obliged to ask a sheep what's for dinner?

He can ponder the folly of his rulership for eternity in the lake of fire. Hope he truly repents. I really do. But honestly, the prospects for him are grim indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=WL

Putin did not have a neutral Ukraine.
From 2008 it was in the works to have Ukraine join NATO.
American foreign policy/NATO/Globalist agenda is why we have this conflict today.
I am amazed once again, how the facts are disregarded in favor of the a simple binary view of "good versus evil" in this conflict, a narrative the USA has been known to use over and over again.


NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. Both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. We welcome the democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia and look forward to free and fair parliamentary elections in Georgia in May. MAP is the next step for Ukraine and Georgia on their direct way to membership. Today we make clear that we support these countries’ applications for MAP. Therefore we will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both at a high political level to address the questions still outstanding pertaining to their MAP applications. We have asked Foreign Ministers to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting. Foreign Ministers have the authority to decide on the MAP applications of Ukraine and Georgia.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm

BTW....if you care to notice, the West screams incessantly about how Vlad the Impaler is selling his dirty energy to the world, and how it is a violation of every ethical consideration under the sun to buy it.

However, buying pure as a bubbling mountain spring oil from a VASTLY more totalitarian murderous oppressive regime, Saudi Arabia, is welcomed and promoted as being righteous as rain.

What's the difference here? One is a vassal gangsta hood run by a mob boss that generally does what he is told, and is not a military threat to the main mob bosses' hegemony.

And the other is a rival gangsta hood run by a mob boss that NEVER does what he is told, and is a very real and present (potently nuclear armed) military threat to the main mob bosses very existence.

Frankly I am shocked that the simplicity of the nature of world affairs escapes most people. My guess is that the endless MSM and 24/7 psy-ops propaganda has taken its toll.

The alliance began training the Ukrainian military in 2014 averaging 10 000 trained troops annually over the next eight years NATO was

training ten thousand troops per year for eight straight years.

Do you ignore NATO/USA military build up of Ukraine's forces?

Well, I hope you remember what our Highly Esteemed Historian Timothy Snyder has said about Putin; where it is he, and the Kremlin who are repeating the views of the populists; and not the other way around: therefore, for anyone to accuse the populists of being 'putin-apologists' is actually falling into the Kremlin's trap, because that division is their goal.

Is Snyder implying that the Kremlin less interested in creating a self-serving false narrative than their antagonists and adversaries?
Perish the thought......

Tell you what....

Since you idolize Putin so much and sympathize with him just go ahead and join the Orcs and start fighting to take ALL of Europe....that way you can stop our wanton wasteful lives of going to the store buying groceries or working in our gardens or even going to the "wrong church" on Sunday mornings.

The people who you so casually dismissed all lived under Russian occupation....so did their parents. They know all too well what life was like under communism. They escaped Russian occupation and immediately joined the military so they could free their home cities and villages. Some talk about needing a period of adjustment to lives of freedom from occupation of communists.

Even though I just moved I know my neighbors...and if I was younger and had escaped from tyranny I would worry about them constantly and do everything possible to free them and push out the invaders....just like the Ukranians in these videos are doing....whether they are doctors or nurses or truck drivers or soldiers. They want their lives and homes back. Those Asians Russia gave their homes to need to find away to get out of what doesn't belong to them. Because the counter hasn't started yet....and paybacks are going to be very very rough.

But maybe you don't need to join the Orcs....you are getting more ridiculous with every post you make....the lies and phoney rhetoric to the point of absurdity and completely unbelievable by anyone except a fellow Orc.

Lol, no. While Snyder understands what Putin is doing- he still says that populists are "executing the foreign policy of the Kremlin"... the more sensible and logical conclusion -that people should simply acknowledge what Putin is doing and have civil discourse with populists- that was my conclusion.

You remember what happened in 2014? That was when the war started. You remember what happened in February of 2022? The full scale invasion. You know what status is now? Russia is on Ukrainian soil.

Now tell me what kind of point you’re trying to make.

Sorry to hear of your irrational yet heartfelt anguish in this matter. And don't worry, your unfounded insults and accusations really do not affect me in any meaningful way. And I am perfectly willing to forgive and forget.

Having said that.....I perceive that there is yet to be heard one word or gesture (let alone sentiment) toward the URGENT NECESSITY for peace negotiations, an immediate cease fire, or good-faith rapprochement. From you, @Angela53510 , @Gideon300 @Susanna etc.

On the contrary, it appears that you (and they) are wholly possessed with ambitions to overthrow Russia and depose Putin.
If this is the case.....then expect a lot more destruction and bloodshed. And good luck because you are going to need it.

BTW, it is absolutely true that Putin has a penchant for liquidating his political enemies, and has done so many times. But so have the Clintons. In fact in this regard they are probably pretty much "even Steven". Never forget that.

OK buddy. I did not even bother to watch that video. Opinions are a dime a dozen.

I am far more interested in the nuts and bolts of this situation and predicting the outcome.

My predictions could not be more dire BTW.
Something along the lines of a global reordering in the worst possible way. As in not in our favor.

Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.