Is sickness a blessing?

if He tell you something ... it won't be the law for the law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

His commands are to only believe and to love.

Oh look you have to show it by scripture, you have to SHOW where Jesus ever made somebody ill in order to teach them or even to chasten them.

It is true when people fall away but that is because they are away from teaching, away from the Healer the Life giver.

Under the law, in the OT times sickness was a curse for disobedience but we have been redeemed from the curse of the law.

Lack of knowledge, not recognising the body and blood of Christ in the Lord's supper and lack of faith that are the cause of sickness.

Some conditions would require a miracle and not simple healing. That is a whole different area.

There are trials can you see how important it is to KNOW where a trial comes from?

If the devil punches you on the nose and you thank God for punching you. you had better watch out he doesn't knock you through the wall next time

I agree, Job was perfect in God's eyes, why do folks accuse him of self righteousness? They are joining hands with Job's comforters.
God says to the comforters "you have not spoken what is right as My servant Job has" God was quite angry with them.
The FABULOUS lesson we learn from Job is that sickness [poverty] does not come because of
personal sin and healing [prosperity] does not come by obedience to the law righteousness.
God's blessings ALL come through the Advocacy and Redemption that is in Jesus Christ. "I know that my Redeemer lives and
He shall stand upon the earth at the last day and though my body rot away, eaten by worms yet shall I see God in my flesh"

I believe we must accept that God allows those He loves to get sick, not that He makes those He loves to get sick.
My wife and I lost a very young child no long after he was born. I believe God allowed it more than caused it.

you have to SHOW where Jesus ever made somebody ill in order to teach them or even to chasten them.

God does love His children so much that He chastens them, tests them, rebukes them, reproves them, and inflicts them with pain as necessary for their growth.

No problem. The book of Job illustrated HOW INCREDIBLY FAR God will go to reach somebody for their own good.

And sends them cancer, gets their child hit by a car, gives them covid and all the other things sin has caused to exist.

God works through what we incur usually because of our own or others sin. God does not have a handbook of disease to send here to cause 'growth'. Notice whenever the Israelites were 'afflicted', they caused it themselves.

We actually grow as we seek God and have our minds renewed by His word...the Bible. This is not the Old Testament and Christians now have the Holy Spirit within them. God can and does cause good to come out of trouble, calamity and whatever we may suffer in this world.

Does God send us disease and sickness? Absolutely not! But He does allow things to happen and we often suffer because of what we do and then cry out to Him.

God is good. He is not evil.

In ancient times when God was displeased with His people because of their sin, He sent things like war and disease upon them and took credit for doing so.

Did you miss the part where Job was actually so obedient and followed God so well that the devil actually went out of his way to destroy that relationship?

Job was not punished for sin.

smh

But it was God who started the ball rolling, by pointing satan toward Job. God used satan as a surgical instrument to accomplish His will in Job.

Job wasn't "punished", he was put through a (rather brutal) PROCESS of self discovery, resulting in his repentance, and restoration. The Book lays out the extents that God will go to, in order to accomplish His will in us.

So what was it God accomplished then?

what a very western way of thinking. this must mean our brothers and sisters under the Soviet regime failed to be obedient. or those under Mao, or those this very day in Cameroon.

i do agree with you; i chose poorly using the word martyrdom. i should have said death. do you know, medically speaking, no one dies of old age? no, it's always some body part or system fails to work properly, which is the very definition of illness. thus, no Christian should die, unless it be by accident or violence?

i am frustrated by inconsistency.

But it was God who started the ball rolling, by pointing satan toward Job. God used satan as a surgical instrument to accomplish His will in Job.

Job wasn't "punished", he was put through a (rather brutal) PROCESS of self discovery, resulting in his repentance, and restoration. The Book lays out the extents that God will go to, in order to accomplish His will in us.

Jesus is the Healer and He dwells in us [in His church] He will MANIFEST Himself when the church start believing in Him ... He will demonstrate that He is the same, yesterday and today and forever.

start "believing" or start studying God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (2 Timothy 2:15)? = sickness/healing more study, from
almost a Century ago, we found:

"...Another example of Undispensational teaching, which has caused
much “Fanaticism,” and sometimes mental distraction and religious
insanity among earnest sincere Christians, is the determined, but futile
attempt on the part of religious healing preachers to recover for the
Christian Church the program carried on by the apostles of the Lord
Jesus, in obedience to His commission recorded in Matthew 10:7 to 9,
which we quote: Matthew 10:7 TO 9

Not only did the Twelve proclaim this kingdom message and carry
on this kingdom program of kingdom signs and miracles, but the
Seventy were sent forth two by two without money for expenses,
and empowered by Christ to cast out demons. Luke 10:1 to 18.

The Seventy, as well as the Twelve, “went through the towns
preaching the gospel, and healing everywhere.” Luke 9:6. And
ALL of these disciples were thus instructed by Christ: “Sell that
ye have, and give alms.” Luke 12:33. “Take no thought for your life,
what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.”
Luke 12:22.

Public healing demonstrations are becoming more and more
frequent. The healers fail at least nine times out of ten to produce
their miraculous cure; but if even one out of twenty claims the
healing, the news reaches the other unfortunate people who are
suffering with physical afflictions and they flock to sit under the
unsound teaching of the healing preacher, seeking relief. The
preacher forgets to quote Matthew 8:16, “healed ALL that were
sick,” or Acts 5:16:


They tell their victims that they are proving that Jesus Christ is
the same yesterday, today and forever, by perpetuating or
duplicating the miracles of Christ and His apostles. They seem to
forget that that was the purpose in John’s Gospel in presenting
the seven great miracles of Jesus, recorded in that Divine Record,
John 20:21.

Seven is God’s perfect number. The seven miracles recorded in
John’s Record are: “the turning the water into wine,” “Christ walking
on the water,” “the healing of the nobleman’s son,” “the healing of
the impotent man (37 years a cripple), “the feeding of the 5000,”
“the healing of the man born blind,” and “the raising of Lazarus four
days dead.”

The present-day miracle-working preachers should duplicate all
seven of the miracles to prove the Deity of Christ.

Most assuredly, with their slogan: “Jesus Christ the same yesterday,
today and forever,” they should not insist that afflicted ones must
first have their souls saved before they can receive miraculous bodily
healing, for by reading the fifth and ninth chapters of John, we learn
that the impotent man and the blind man did not receive soul
salvation until after they had received bodily healing.

Once in a great while one of the more zealous healers makes
an unsuccessful attempt to raise the dead, but he never tries to
demonstrate his Divine power by walking on the water, or by feeding
5000 hungry people with a half pound of food. Raising the dead and
cleansing the lepers are included in Matthew 10:7, with healing the
sick. God has joined them together.

Some time ago a very zealous, sincere Christian man decided that he
would go out in the Christian ministry, under the commissions of the
Lord in Matthew and Luke mentioned above.

Property was disposed of and away he started on his mission. Was he
earnest? Very much so. He had very poor success with his miracles and
even less in meeting his expenses.

In the meantime his broken-hearted wife called me on the phone;
told me of her financial predicament and physical distress. This dear
man thought he had Scriptural authority for his missionary endeavors;
but he found that what worked when Jesus of Nazareth among
Israelites was approved of God by miracles, wonders and signs
while He proclaimed “the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” will not
work during this dispensation of Grace. He was Scriptural but


(JC O'Hair "isms and schisms" Bible study for Bereans 1936)
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Thus, what is the question we should be asking?:

Even more study (Approved Unto God?), almost a Century later!:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

cc: @MaryM and @memmett

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A fair summing up of all this I think you will agree is that the miracles signs and wonders pertain to the next dispensation, the 1,000 years.

He quotes Hebrews 13. 8 as a slogan employed by would be healers which I find a bit off. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever is scripture.

In one way the perception is correct for all the gifts and workings and manifestations, demonstrations of the Holy Ghost do indeed pertain to the Millennium dispensation. When the Kingdom of Heaven will indeed be a reality. Jesus will reign.

Hebrews again calls these manifestations "a foretaste of the future age"

But the Kingdom is now, it is here already a reality ... to those who believe and receive it. Jesus is King over all the Kings of the earth now ... whether He is believed on or received or not.

Whatever pertains to Christ and His Kingdom belongs to us who do believe and have received now. The miracles signs and wonders are the PROOF.

Jesus said "all power is given unto Me in Heaven and ON EARTH GO YE THEREFORE and announce this good news to everybody"

Good news Jesus is Lord

But folks rather that the bank manager were lord over their finances or the government
they rather that the doctor and medical scientist be lord over their health

They entrust their souls to Christ but not their physical well being, so Jesus is not Lord over all.

Here is another classic mistake your theologian makes [Cornelius Stam?]

He looks about him and sees what is happening in the church of his day, The Brethren [from whence came modern dispensationalism] had close links to Edward Irving and unless I am mistaken the missionary he is referring to is Mr Anthony Norris, a godly man but perhaps mistaken in some areas.
He looks at this imperfect picture and assumes that this reflects a theological truth. In other words he has ceased to go by the bible because of the faultiness and frailties he witnesses in those of his generation's proponents of those doctrines. He is going by what his natural eyes see and his natural ears hear.

I have seen much, much greater success in my lifetime than he saw of those doctrines, revelation has moved on. But I see nothing like perfection or perfect bible. That does not disprove the bible.

If you had visited any church in the 14th century you would have witnessed very little gospel truth.

You do not believe in healing from Christ with the same rock solid assurance that you believe in the forgiveness of sin or the new birth ... But you MUST, you must have that same faith for it is as much promised one as the other. He hath borne our sins, He have borne our sicknesses. He carried our griefs and sorrow, the price for our peace was laid upon Him.

How many preachers and theologians preach and teach it? how can people believe if they are not told?

Nay they make up doctrines and philosophies to rob people of faith.

God understands all of this ... He has simply gone elsewhere, China and Africa, amazing things are happening.
God will give you what you believe Him for in accordance with His word.

Peace my brother.

Job was self righteous. Job knew about God but he did not know God. Job lived in fear, which is not faith. Fear opens the door to the devil.