Good Friday Reflections

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● Matt 12:40 . . . For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
the earth.

According to Luke 24:21-23 the third day was in progress when the women
went out to the cemetery. And according to Matt 28:1, Mark 16:9, Luke
24:1, John 20:1, and John 20:19; that day was the first day of the Jews'
week; which according to modern calendars was Sunday.

So; if we count backwards: the third day was Sunday, the second day was
Saturday, and the first day was Friday. Then the third night would be
Saturday night, the second night would be Friday night, and the first night
would be Thursday night.

* Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15)

The Jews ate their Passover after he was dead and buried.

John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31)

If so, then the Jews' dined upon their Passover lambs that year on a
Thursday night which, according to Passover law, was a sabbath night. (Ex
12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

All in all; the Jews observed two consecutive sabbaths during crucifixion
week-- the Passover sabbath, and the routine sabbath.
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Agree with all except the part of Thursday. They ate the Passover meal Tuesday night for Christ died on a Wednesday. The next day, Thursday, was the annual Sabbath, thus, the men on the cross had to be taken down before 6pm, Thursday. Jesus was already resurrected before Sunday morning. But we agree, Jesus could not have been crucified on Friday.
 
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Jesus told His disciples on more than one occasion what was going to happen with His death and resurrection, but they just couldn't grasp it. All of their hopes were crushed when He died and was laid in the sepulcher. Sorrow and fear were certainly a couple of dominate emotions until He reappeared after the resurrection.
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Yes, it was the cross was a mystery until after it happened. God hid it from them.
 
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Agree with all except the part of Thursday. They ate the Passover meal Tuesday night for Christ died on a Wednesday. The next day, Thursday, was the annual Sabbath, thus, the men on the cross had to be taken down before 6pm, Thursday. Jesus was already resurrected before Sunday morning. But we agree, Jesus could not have been crucified on Friday.
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Consider the fact that:

-Jesus had died BEFORE sunset Nisan 14.
-Jesus HAD to be resurrected AFTER sunset WHEN the Feast of Firstfruits had already commenced.

And those, dear friend, are the two key feature as to why there be several competing theories regarding the resurrection.
 
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Good morning from Grand Rapids, Mi.!

Good Friday for me is both a day of mourning and a day for rejoicing.

I'm usually in a somber mood thinking about what Jesus went through for us, but I'm also so thankful for the redemption we have as a result.

Have a great Easter weekend brethren!

SF
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Yes, it was a dark day, but it has brought forth a new and glorious day. He has won for us the victory. Walk in the Light, dear brothers and sisters. :)(y)
 
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Consider the fact that:

-Jesus had died BEFORE sunset Nisan 14.
-Jesus HAD to be resurrected AFTER sunset WHEN the Feast of Firstfruits had already commenced.

And those, dear friend, are the two key feature as to why there be several competing theories regarding the resurrection.
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Yes, sunset, 6pm on Wednesday. And Sunset on Saturday, 6pm which would actually be Sunday.
 
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Consider the fact that:

-Jesus had died BEFORE sunset Nisan 14.
-Jesus HAD to be resurrected AFTER sunset WHEN the Feast of Firstfruits had already commenced.

And those, dear friend, are the two key feature as to why there be several competing theories regarding the resurrection.
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I think the Jewish festival at the time of Jesus' death was Passover and then The Days of Unleavened Bread.

Firstfruits came ~50 days later and foreshadowed Pentecost (the coming of the Holy Spirit).
 
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Yes, sunset, 6pm on Wednesday. And Sunset on Saturday, 6pm which would actually be Sunday.
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You missed the point. BEFORE sunset Nisan 14 (Jesus was dead BEFORE sunset.....by at least a couple of hours, as they had to bury Him before the high Sabbath began).

Resurrected AFTER sunset (when the day begins) on the Firstfruits.
 
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I think the Jewish festival at the time of Jesus' death was Passover and then The Days of Unleavened Bread.

Firstfruits came ~50 days later and foreshadowed Pentecost (the coming of the Holy Spirit).
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No. The feast of Firstfruits is the day after the (next weekly Saturday) Sabbath after Passover. Therefore always a Sunday.

Theoretically, Nisan 14 can fall on any day of the week BTW.
 
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You missed the point. BEFORE sunset Nisan 14 (Jesus was dead BEFORE sunset.....by at least a couple of hours, as they had to bury Him before the high Sabbath began).
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Totally agree. Before sunset on Wednesday. He died at 3pm. Thursday was the annual Sabbath, beginning at 6pm.
 
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Totally agree. Before sunset on Wednesday. He died at 3pm. Thursday was the annual Sabbath, beginning at 6pm.
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I am assuming that Jesus was entombed (buried) somewhat BEFORE sunset BTW. So that the persons involved in the burial would not have defiled themselves.

I also suspect (but cannot prove) that Jesus was resurrected some time in the early morning hours of the day FFF (not immediately at the first moment of sunset). If only because that's when all of the action was taking place.

What I am intending to convey is that an utterly precise, exact 3 days and 3 nights is not really the intent of the relevant passages.

But yes, I am more of a "long duration" 3 days and 3 nights advocate myself. You could just as easily postulate that there were slightly MORE than precisely 3 days and 3 nights as easily as somewhat less.
 
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See......SLIGHTLY MORE than 3 days and 3 nights. By an hour or so????

But yes.....I tend to agree with this layout more than most others. But I am not at all fussy about the matter to be very honest.
 
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Just one other point:

Evidently those of Galilee celebrated an "early Passover feast".....one day sooner. Which your chart clearly delineates.
Historically there are records that indicate that this is so.
 
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Just one other point:

Evidently those of Galilee celebrated an "early Passover feast".....one day sooner. Which your chart clearly delineates.
Historically there are records that indicate that this is so.
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When would the women buy the spices for anointing the body?
 
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John146 said:
Jesus was already resurrected before Sunday morning.
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Women went out to the cemetery prior to sunrise Sunday morning (Matt
28:1, Mark 16:1-2, John 20:1) yet according to Luke 24:19-23 their arrival
factored into the third day since Jesus' ordeal and that's because holy days
began and ended at sunset; whereas civil days began at 06:00 am and
ended at 06:00 pm.

For example: the Sun rose in Jerusalem April 8, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in
the past would've been 19 minutes after the beginning of their civil day. So;
if Jesus did his thing, and the women theirs, sometime in those 19 minutes
before sunrise, then he and they were technically within the limits of a new
day rather than the tail end of a previous night.
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Christ was well-loved and admired by quite a few people; including an
entourage of anonymous women (Mark 15:40-41). It's to be expected that
some of his female friends would want an active part in his burial; like when
people toss their own personal little handful of dirt on top of a casket. It's
friends' and family's way of saying good-bye and obtaining closure.

Mary Magdalena was especially fond of Jesus and very upset when she was
led to believe his body had been moved before she had a chance to add her
own spices. True; his corpse didn't need her spices. It already had a
wheelbarrow load of stuff smeared on it. But none of those spices were Mary's.

John146 said:
When would the women buy the spices for anointing the body?
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The routine sabbath ends at sundown Saturday evening; allowing shops to
re-open for business.

* It appears from the parable of the ten virgins that shops remained open as
late as midnight.
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John146 said:
Totally agree. Before sunset on Wednesday. He died at 3pm. Thursday was the annual Sabbath, beginning at 6pm.
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This might blow your mind.........but read this (Numbers 9:6-11).

You see, it MAY BE that the burial itself COULD have occurred and "finished up" AFTER sunset. And not actually "defile" the burial team.
The relevant passages only indicate "that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day". Nothing is said about defiling the burial team as far as celebrating the Passover is concerned. The text only indicates that the Sabbath drew near and there was haste, and the participants needed to "rest".

Jhn 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Num 9:6
And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:
Num 9:7
And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
Num 9:8
And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will command concerning you.
Num 9:9
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 9:10
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
Num 9:11
The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
 
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John146 said:
When would the women buy the spices for anointing the body?
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Which is at least one reason why I hold to a "long duration" 3 days and 3 nights.....;)

Num 28:18
in the first day is an holy convocation, ye do no servile work,

Num 28:26
'And in the day of the first-fruits, in your bringing near a new present to Jehovah, in your weeks, a holy convocation ye have; ye do no servile work;
 
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Women went out to the cemetery prior to sunrise Sunday morning (Matt
28:1, Mark 16:1-2, John 20:1) yet according to Luke 24:19-23 their arrival
factored into the third day since Jesus' ordeal and that's because holy days
began and ended at sunset; whereas civil days began at 06:00 am and
ended at 06:00 pm.

For example: the Sun rose in Jerusalem April 8, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in
the past would've been 19 minutes after the beginning of their civil day. So;
if Jesus did his thing, and the women theirs, sometime in those 19 minutes
before sunrise, then he and they were technically within the limits of a new
day rather than the tail end of a previous night.
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The third day would have begun at 6pm the prev
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
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This might blow your mind.........but read this (Numbers 9:6-11).

You see, it MAY BE that the burial itself COULD have occurred and "finished up" AFTER sunset. And not actually "defile" the burial team.
The relevant passages only indicate "that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day". Nothing is said about defiling the burial team as far as celebrating the Passover is concerned. The text only indicates that the Sabbath drew near and there was haste, and the participants needed to "rest".

Jhn 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Num 9:6
And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:
Num 9:7
And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
Num 9:8
And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will command concerning you.
Num 9:9
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 9:10
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
Num 9:11
The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
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Interesting, but he told the thief on the cross that today, you will be with me in paradise. I would think that would mean by 6pm. Yes?
 
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This might blow your mind.........but read this (Numbers 9:6-11).

You see, it MAY BE that the burial itself COULD have occurred and "finished up" AFTER sunset. And not actually "defile" the burial team.
The relevant passages only indicate "that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day". Nothing is said about defiling the burial team as far as celebrating the Passover is concerned. The text only indicates that the Sabbath drew near and there was haste, and the participants needed to "rest".

Jhn 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Num 9:6
And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:
Num 9:7
And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
Num 9:8
And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will command concerning you.
Num 9:9
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 9:10
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
Num 9:11
The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
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On the other hand.......:unsure:

Deu 21:22
“If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree,
Deu 21:23
“his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.
 
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