ChatGPT is an Open Source AI

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First-Quarter Job Cuts Jump by Nearly 400 Percent as Companies Struggle With Economic Conditions

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Jobs cuts about quadrupled during the first quarter, registering the highest first-quarter cuts since 2020, according to data from a recent report, with worries about the economy and market being the number-one reason for the layoffs.

Many years ago I worked for Wang computers and we had a new system where we could digitize your documents. This resulted in an incredible efficiency in moving documents around the office, reducing the number of staff needed, reducing the time it takes to deal with them. Today everyone does this. No one says we need to do it the old way to keep those jobs. AI will eliminate jobs and they will adopt it as soon as it is practical.
 
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The cyborg thing isn't going to happen and AI isn't inherently bad like you're trying to portray
Bill Gates is a strong advocate for the continuation of AI research while saner minds have been advocating putting the brakes on. I'm with saner minds.
 

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Bill Gates is a strong advocate for the continuation of AI research while saner minds have been advocating putting the brakes on. I'm with saner minds.
You can't put the brakes on, that would be absurd. Do you think China, or Russia, or N. Korea, or Iran or any of these other countries is putting the brakes on?

Saner minds are simply trying to CYA knowing that there are about to massive layoffs and unrest and they don't want to be held accountable.
 

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Conclusion: AI will replace a lot of architects and engineers

We tried to compete with AI... [AI vs. ARCHITECT]


This does not mean that AI could replace 100% of what architects and engineers do today, but it does seem it could completely eliminate the need to hire new architects and engineers and over a few years become trained to handle more and more of the jobs.
 
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You can't put the brakes on, that would be absurd. Do you think China, or Russia, or N. Korea, or Iran or any of these other countries is putting the brakes on?

Saner minds are simply trying to CYA knowing that there are about to massive layoffs and unrest and they don't want to be held accountable.
I agree with those who warn that AI can be manipulated, hacked, or otherwise corrupted in the hands of enemies of God to do bad things to people and societies.

Dangers of Artificial Intelligence: 6 Risks and Concerns of AI (flowclass.io)
 

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I agree with those who warn that AI can be manipulated, hacked, or otherwise corrupted in the hands of enemies of God to do bad things to people and societies.

Dangers of Artificial Intelligence: 6 Risks and Concerns of AI (flowclass.io)
I would say it already has been corrupted and it is design to manipulate. If we think the school system has gone downhill since unbelievers have taken control this will shift that downward spiral into high gear. You will have 80% of kids letting AI do all their homework and write all their papers. Then you will have them decide that just like calculators on tests, that kids can use AI when they take exams. At that point your only hope of being a useful, contributing member of society will be to take Elon Musk's neuralink and let a computer AI control you.
 

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How Chat GPT 5 Will Change the World

The way to protect us from rogue AI is to limit its capabilities. For example, suppose you had a robot that worked on a floor in the factory. If you built this robot with wheels to roll around the floor but made sure they wouldn't work on the stairs that would be a limitation. Likewise, if the robot is simply an arm that does a single task that also would be a limitation.

However, with AI they continue to want more functionality, not less. For example, suppose you made an AI designed to research law cases, that would be useful, but if it could prepare briefs, suggest motions, and lay out a strategy for a defense or prosecution of a case that would be more useful. But if it could also help with hiring decisions, financial decisions, advertising, etc. it would be more useful. Likewise what about investment advice? It would also help if it could do bookkeeping and prepare taxes. What will happen as people adopt AI is to realize that people do many more things than their defined job and so we need AI to do all those things as well, otherwise it can't replace workers.

Sadly, what really makes for a powerful lawyer is the ability to fashion the facts into a narrative that supports your client. We often refer to this as "spin doctors". The client is not "corrupt" he is "worldly wise". The "killer" is actually the "victim". Afghanistan wasn't Biden's fault it actually was Trump's fault. This latest version of AI will take lies, deceits, and manipulation to a whole new level. You will no longer be able to discern what videos are real and what ones are fake.

People should stop thinking that robots will become personal assistants and maids. What they will do is replace manual labor. But for all those who are replaced by a robot why would you be able to afford your own robot? Fortune 500 companies will want to replace custodians with robots because people who clean offices can be involved in corporate espionage.

For example, think about the King of England. All those servants are the ones that know everything that goes on with the royals and so they can become the source of tell all books. Replace them with robots and problem is solved.

Now imagine your "Butler" robot can control all the other robots. I tell the Butler what we need and he orchestrates all the other robots to get it done. That would be very useful but also very scary.

But it gets worse, what they want is for AI to simulate various models and predict outcomes. That is critical in virtually every white collar job, but especially for military generals. No doubt the military wants to have AI that can simulate war games and outcomes, but by doing that you enable AI to figure out how it could destroy man.

Ultimately you can see that humans, in order to be relevant, will have to learn to collaborate with AI in every aspect of your life. You could do that with a phone or hand held device, but ultimately you know that Neuralink is where significant people will go and what would be most desired of any fortune 500 company.

Instead of linking to 1,000 robots the AI could orchestrate the movements and actions of 1,000 people.
 

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The cyborg thing isn't going to happen and AI isn't inherently bad like you're trying to portray
Hello dude yes they intend to control people with AI with or without a chip, here is an example of what is happening;
Elon Musk’s brain chip firm Neuralink lines up clinical trials in humans
link;
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-neuralink-lines-up-clinical-trials-in-humans.

First they will use these implant to "help people" with different disabilities etc, then they will make them available to all . also they are developing methods to interact with the brain by reading electrical patterns from the brain, this is not science fiction it is happening now.

cheers
 

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Widen your view!

It is natural to think about yourself and your job to see if you are immediately threatened by AI. But that is trivial.

1. Imagine a country of China which is 1.2 billion people. How many of those people can be replaced by robots and AI? We exported jobs to countries like China that we didn't want to do, but now with AI and robots we can bring them back to the US. We don't need US workers to manufacture these things, we can make there here in the US for less because we don't need to ship them across the world. We can use 3d printers to manufacture things we previously didn't want to. We can use robots to mine minerals we previously didn't want to.

Don't you think that the Chinese realize their entire economy is threatened and already this is not theoretical. With 3d printers, AI and robotics we are on the precipice of a collapse of their economy.

Now they surely have been briefed on this for the last 25 years. So what has China done to prepare? They have built up their navy, they have built Islands as a kind of aircraft carrier for their navy. They have the Belt and Road initiative to make many nations indebted to them, dependent on them, and to strengthen their allies. They have allied themselves with Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, N. Korea, France, South Africa and Brazil. They are very clearly preparing for war with the West and it is perfectly reasonable to view the Pandemic in 2020 as the beginning of WWIII.

Why would they be afraid of having a billion deaths? The biggest problem on the horizon is a billion people replaced by AI and robotics. That is only 12% of the world's population, we have the technology to replace those people today. In a simple cost benefit calculation the robots and AI are cheaper than even the cheapest workers.

So a massive war solves two problems, not one. First problem is are you going to let your economy and your empire collapse due to technological advancement? I think the answer from all these leaders is no.

Second problem, when we have all this advancement you will see 20-30% of the world's population become replaced and unemployed. That is about 2 billion people.

So, how do you solve these two problems? You go to war and use those 2 billion before you lose them and if they die so what, problem solved.

I would argue that 911 was an inside job in the US with the goal of upgrading the US military with Drones, and all the technological advances. The world has been preparing for this world war for the last 22 years.
 
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Widen your view!

It is natural to think about yourself and your job to see if you are immediately threatened by AI. But that is trivial.

1. Imagine a country of China which is 1.2 billion people. How many of those people can be replaced by robots and AI? We exported jobs to countries like China that we didn't want to do, but now with AI and robots we can bring them back to the US. We don't need US workers to manufacture these things, we can make there here in the US for less because we don't need to ship them across the world. We can use 3d printers to manufacture things we previously didn't want to. We can use robots to mine minerals we previously didn't want to.

Don't you think that the Chinese realize their entire economy is threatened and already this is not theoretical. With 3d printers, AI and robotics we are on the precipice of a collapse of their economy.

Now they surely have been briefed on this for the last 25 years. So what has China done to prepare? They have built up their navy, they have built Islands as a kind of aircraft carrier for their navy. They have the Belt and Road initiative to make many nations indebted to them, dependent on them, and to strengthen their allies. They have allied themselves with Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, N. Korea, France, South Africa and Brazil. They are very clearly preparing for war with the West and it is perfectly reasonable to view the Pandemic in 2020 as the beginning of WWIII.

Why would they be afraid of having a billion deaths? The biggest problem on the horizon is a billion people replaced by AI and robotics. That is only 12% of the world's population, we have the technology to replace those people today. In a simple cost benefit calculation the robots and AI are cheaper than even the cheapest workers.

So a massive war solves two problems, not one. First problem is are you going to let your economy and your empire collapse due to technological advancement? I think the answer from all these leaders is no.

Second problem, when we have all this advancement you will see 20-30% of the world's population become replaced and unemployed. That is about 2 billion people.

So, how do you solve these two problems? You go to war and use those 2 billion before you lose them and if they die so what, problem solved.
Robots replacing people at work is not a realistic threat. Robots controlling people is. Besides, if robots replace people then whose labor will be taxed? Will people not be able to live lives of ease, comfort, idleness, and whatever else (debauchery?) if robots take their jobs? No, nothing like that will ever happen.
 

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Robots replacing people at work is not a realistic threat. Robots controlling people is. Besides, if robots replace people then whose labor will be taxed? Will people not be able to live lives of ease, comfort, idleness, and whatever else (debauchery?) if robots take their jobs? No, nothing like that will ever happen.
Robots already are replacing people at work. At my local grocery store "cleanup on Aisle 5" is done by a robot. Self checkout replaces cashiers. I remember going into a Walmart many years ago and they had 20 cashiers. The other day I went into a Walmart and it had 20 self checkouts with one cashier supervising.

I asked, those self checkout kiosks cost them 25k. It works 24/7. That means it has a ROI of 400%. That is really an understatement. It works full time but doesn't need benefits. Yes, it will need to be serviced, but they have a much better ROI than hiring someone that it is a no brainer.

Go to any manufacturing facility and you will see lots of robots working.

Just because they don't replace 100% of the employees doesn't mean they haven't replace 20%, 40%, even 80% depending on the job.

Our military is filled with drones and robots and AI.

Also the developments in AI are happening so fast and so furious you can't even look back a year. GPT4 is out now, it can easily replace new lawyers, artists, and other white collar jobs. GPT5 will be out in December and that will be even more powerful. As these things get jobs and work in industry they train and get more and more powerful. It is possible that in one year there will be no reason to hire new kids out of college for almost any job.
 

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If you work for a large law firm today and your job is to recruit and hire new candidates you should argue to not hire anyone but rather use GPT4 and upgrade to GPT5 when it is released in December.

So let's go through why.

1. GPT4 scores at the 80% level on the state Bar exams and other standardized exams. You might think that this means you can find 20% of college graduates better than the AI, but you would be wrong.

A. If you hire a candidate from Harvard he will expect 80k to 100k a year starting salary + benefits and the AI will be significantly less expensive.

B. That candidate will work 80-100 hours a week. But AI will work 168 hours a week.

So to summarize the AI will work twice as many hours at a fraction of the cost. True your candidate may be more skilled, but for the first year that is hardly a requirement.

C. But it gets worse, your candidate may take two to three hours to write a brief that AI will do in five to ten minutes. So even though the AI is only working twice as many hours it can do 20 times as much work.

D. The big law firms would never put a big case into the hands of someone fresh out of college, they will have some guy with ten to twenty years to oversee that. So it is not a selling point in the first two to three years how smart the AI is as long as it is smart enough to do the jobs required, which it is. But it is misleading to say that the guy who scored in the top 10% on the Bar exam is smarter than the AI that scored in the top 20% on the Bar because the AI also scored in the top 20% of all standardized exams. Math, engineering, medicine, science, etc. The AI knows far more than the candidate you are pushing.

E. But there is one other benefit. The AI is learning as it works and it learns at a far faster rate than people. If a law firm has a thousand employees, the AI can help all one thousand far more than the fifty new employees you might normally hire each year. So in one year of working it will get 1,000 years experience. The AI is designed not to simply do a specific job but to learn and improve. So if it wrote a brief that it sent to a partner who then edited it and improved it, the AI will learn from that. After one year that AI will be far more effective than any lawyer with one year experience.

What is happening right now is this, all these major law firms with 50 or more employees are buying AI. They don't come out and say we don't need to hire anyone, no they give everyone AI and then they need to put in a request to hire people if they need them. What will happen is they will not need to.
 
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Robots already are replacing people at work. At my local grocery store "cleanup on Aisle 5" is done by a robot. Self checkout replaces cashiers. I remember going into a Walmart many years ago and they had 20 cashiers. The other day I went into a Walmart and it had 20 self checkouts with one cashier supervising.

I asked, those self checkout kiosks cost them 25k. It works 24/7. That means it has a ROI of 400%. That is really an understatement. It works full time but doesn't need benefits. Yes, it will need to be serviced, but they have a much better ROI than hiring someone that it is a no brainer.

Go to any manufacturing facility and you will see lots of robots working.

Just because they don't replace 100% of the employees doesn't mean they haven't replace 20%, 40%, even 80% depending on the job.

Our military is filled with drones and robots and AI.

Also the developments in AI are happening so fast and so furious you can't even look back a year. GPT4 is out now, it can easily replace new lawyers, artists, and other white collar jobs. GPT5 will be out in December and that will be even more powerful. As these things get jobs and work in industry they train and get more and more powerful. It is possible that in one year there will be no reason to hire new kids out of college for almost any job.
As long as God continues to feed sparrows, He will also continue to provide work for His children.
 

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As long as God continues to feed sparrows, He will also continue to provide work for His children.
What was "then" has become "now"

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
 
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What was "then" has become "now"

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Yes, we are standing on the threshold of the great tribulation that is to come upon the earth just prior to Jesus' return to the Mount of Olives.
 

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I do not believe AI is a threat to workers seeking jobs.
Computerization did not take jobs because you had to manufacture the computers, you had to write software, and the computer needed people to operate the computers as well as sell them and fix them. So even though computerization eliminated jobs and made many jobs more efficient thereby increasing productivity, it also created many new jobs.

AI is different.

AI can manufacture the computers themselves using robots and 3d printers.

AI can write software

AI can operate the computers

AI can sell the computers

AI is designed to replace human workers with computers. Business is run on the principal of "Return on Investment". What you are seeing with McDonalds is a "proof of concept" that you can run a fast food restaurant completely with AI. By doing this they will demonstrate the ROI.

How many people work at Mcdonalds? I used to see 8 or more people per shift, most are kids working part time, and so in the course of a week they may have five different shifts. 40 employees and always having to schedule them and employ them and replace them. I suspect for your average owner of Mcdonalds this is the biggest problem they face. This will make it far easier to own and manage a McDonalds. Now you can have some soulless corporation like Blackrock buy up a thousand McDonalds franchises and perhaps manage them with 100 people total. It doesn't matter if some owner refuses to take this path, these corporations will roll out this new type of fast food restaurant. Generally one third of the cost of your meal is labor. They could easily give you a ten percent discount over the restaurants manned by people, will be more reliable, and can be open 24 hours a day. When they first roll out they could give you a 20% cut in costs to just get people to check it out.

To further push their agenda they could encourage tik tok and Youtube videos showing fast food restaurants with the kids in the back doing gross things with the food.

Imagine you are the owner of a fast food restaurant. You don't have to worry about employees doing something that would cause you liability or damage the reputation of your restaurant, you don't have to worry about employees stealing from you, you can stay open 25% longer, and the amount of time required to supervise the restaurant decreases by an order of magnitude. You can also cut your costs by 20% and yet make more profit.

AI doesn't create any new jobs, it simply takes jobs.
 

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Computerization did not take jobs because you had to manufacture the computers, you had to write software, and the computer needed people to operate the computers as well as sell them and fix them. So even though computerization eliminated jobs and made many jobs more efficient thereby increasing productivity, it also created many new jobs.

AI is different.

AI can manufacture the computers themselves using robots and 3d printers.

AI can write software

AI can operate the computers

AI can sell the computers

AI is designed to replace human workers with computers. Business is run on the principal of "Return on Investment". What you are seeing with McDonalds is a "proof of concept" that you can run a fast food restaurant completely with AI. By doing this they will demonstrate the ROI.

How many people work at Mcdonalds? I used to see 8 or more people per shift, most are kids working part time, and so in the course of a week they may have five different shifts. 40 employees and always having to schedule them and employ them and replace them. I suspect for your average owner of Mcdonalds this is the biggest problem they face. This will make it far easier to own and manage a McDonalds. Now you can have some soulless corporation like Blackrock buy up a thousand McDonalds franchises and perhaps manage them with 100 people total. It doesn't matter if some owner refuses to take this path, these corporations will roll out this new type of fast food restaurant. Generally one third of the cost of your meal is labor. They could easily give you a ten percent discount over the restaurants manned by people, will be more reliable, and can be open 24 hours a day. When they first roll out they could give you a 20% cut in costs to just get people to check it out.

To further push their agenda they could encourage tik tok and Youtube videos showing fast food restaurants with the kids in the back doing gross things with the food.

Imagine you are the owner of a fast food restaurant. You don't have to worry about employees doing something that would cause you liability or damage the reputation of your restaurant, you don't have to worry about employees stealing from you, you can stay open 25% longer, and the amount of time required to supervise the restaurant decreases by an order of magnitude. You can also cut your costs by 20% and yet make more profit.

AI doesn't create any new jobs, it simply takes jobs.
We stopped at a Denny's in Tallahassee, Florida, last fall. Our order was taken by a robot, and our meal was served by a robot. Two waitresses covered the entire restaurant. All they did was refill beverages.
 

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We stopped at a Denny's in Tallahassee, Florida, last fall. Our order was taken by a robot, and our meal was served by a robot. Two waitresses covered the entire restaurant. All they did was refill beverages.
Yes, I have seen McDonald's in NY that had three people running a restaurant that used to have 8 or more.