Why does the West want war, death, and destruction?

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Nehemiah6

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Putin: West Discussing ‘Arms Deliveries’ While China Trying To Broker ‘Peace’
https://www.infowars.com/posts/puti...eliveries-while-china-trying-to-broker-peace/

It is now crystal clear to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear that the West is hell-bent on continuing the war in Ukraine, even if it kills all the Ukrainians with depleted uranium (a very serious health hazard). The West is totally opposed to any negotiated peace settlement, and is actually sabotaging the peace plan presented by China! Can anyone imagine that the West would be the source of war, death, and destruction, when all along the West was committed to peace, freedom, and democracy?

How does one explain this? Well the fundamental reason is that the Western politicians have handed themselves over to Satan, and are working on Satan's agenda -- STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY. But there are several secondary reasons for this total insanity.

1. America has failed in all its recent wars, and especially in Afghanistan. A major victory was handed to the Taliban on a silver platter, and the USA is directly responsible for the war crimes committed by the Taliban by freely giving them arms, ammunition, and all kinds of weaponry. What should have happened is that Biden should have been arrested for treason, and the whole military leadership should have faced court martial. But this did not happen. So now, instead of dealing with the real issues, the Biden administration has created a sham issue with a proxy war in Ukraine. Not only that but they also sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline, then shifted the blame to Russia.

2. The American Communists who have hijacked the government of America have committed themselves to the total destruction of America from within. The plan is to establish a totalitarian Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Racist regime and destroy the lives of everyone (while using Climate Change as an excuse). Which includes the destruction of the economy, the banks, and all the institutions that exist. This is also why over a hundred billion dollars have gone to Ukraine, with little or no accountability and zero results. America has also depleted its own capability to defend itself, and the generals have committed themselves to Wokeism and mandatory vaccinations in order to destroy the military from within. So this Ukrainian war is now a distraction to avert people from waking up to what is really happening in the USA.

3. The fake president in the White House and all his officials are basically corrupt Leftist incompetents, most of whom should be behind bars. But there is no one to arrest them and prosecute them since the DOJ, the FBI, and the courts have been thoroughly corrupted in order to promote the Leftist agenda. Everyone knows that this administration is a total failure and also a danger to America, but the Marines and Special Forces have done nothing to deal with all these domestic enemies. Donald Trump s now vowing to destroy the Deep State, but that should have already happened on his watch. He could have made a clean sweep of all the Alligators in the Swamp but failed to do so.

4. The new state religion of America is now Climate Change, diversity, equity, and inclusion (basically Black Racism), Wokeism, Transgenderism, the corruption of little school children with drag queen shows, illegal injection of children with mRNA vaccines, pornography, and Communist indoctrination. All of this is totally against decency, morality, Christian values, conservative values, and plain common sense. So this is the destruction of the souls and spirits of those unable to defend themselves. It should be obvious that demons have taken control of every aspect of America society-- social, cultural, educational, and political.

So what can Christians do in this situation? There are still people out there who are fighting against these evils. and Christians can support them financially and with prayers. Also Christians have two weapons to fight evil -- prayer and rebuking the works of darkness. Christians should be encouraging all parents to totally remove their children from public schools, and Christians can speak out against every attempt to promote evil. A pastor in Alberta was arrested simply for speaking out against drag queen shows, but he did speak out. Christians should also be calling for the arrest and prosecution of all the evildoers. All we need to do is go to Romans 13 and see what God has to say about how evildoers should be stopped.


We also know that behind all this is the New World Order, and eventually the reign of the Antichrist. But God will allow wickedness and evil to prevail and dominate for only a short time. There is no question that major divine judgments will be poured out on America and the world, but America will be judged more severely than many other nations, since America had the light of the Gospel and a Constitution to uphold liberty and justice for all, and America threw it all away.
 

wolfwint

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Putin: West Discussing ‘Arms Deliveries’ While China Trying To Broker ‘Peace’
https://www.infowars.com/posts/puti...eliveries-while-china-trying-to-broker-peace/

It is now crystal clear to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear that the West is hell-bent on continuing the war in Ukraine, even if it kills all the Ukrainians with depleted uranium (a very serious health hazard). The West is totally opposed to any negotiated peace settlement, and is actually sabotaging the peace plan presented by China! Can anyone imagine that the West would be the source of war, death, and destruction, when all along the West was committed to peace, freedom, and democracy?

How does one explain this? Well the fundamental reason is that the Western politicians have handed themselves over to Satan, and are working on Satan's agenda -- STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY. But there are several secondary reasons for this total insanity.

1. America has failed in all its recent wars, and especially in Afghanistan. A major victory was handed to the Taliban on a silver platter, and the USA is directly responsible for the war crimes committed by the Taliban by freely giving them arms, ammunition, and all kinds of weaponry. What should have happened is that Biden should have been arrested for treason, and the whole military leadership should have faced court martial. But this did not happen. So now, instead of dealing with the real issues, the Biden administration has created a sham issue with a proxy war in Ukraine. Not only that but they also sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline, then shifted the blame to Russia.

2. The American Communists who have hijacked the government of America have committed themselves to the total destruction of America from within. The plan is to establish a totalitarian Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Racist regime and destroy the lives of everyone (while using Climate Change as an excuse). Which includes the destruction of the economy, the banks, and all the institutions that exist. This is also why over a hundred billion dollars have gone to Ukraine, with little or no accountability and zero results. America has also depleted its own capability to defend itself, and the generals have committed themselves to Wokeism and mandatory vaccinations in order to destroy the military from within. So this Ukrainian war is now a distraction to avert people from waking up to what is really happening in the USA.

3. The fake president in the White House and all his officials are basically corrupt Leftist incompetents, most of whom should be behind bars. But there is no one to arrest them and prosecute them since the DOJ, the FBI, and the courts have been thoroughly corrupted in order to promote the Leftist agenda. Everyone knows that this administration is a total failure and also a danger to America, but the Marines and Special Forces have done nothing to deal with all these domestic enemies. Donald Trump s now vowing to destroy the Deep State, but that should have already happened on his watch. He could have made a clean sweep of all the Alligators in the Swamp but failed to do so.

4. The new state religion of America is now Climate Change, diversity, equity, and inclusion (basically Black Racism), Wokeism, Transgenderism, the corruption of little school children with drag queen shows, illegal injection of children with mRNA vaccines, pornography, and Communist indoctrination. All of this is totally against decency, morality, Christian values, conservative values, and plain common sense. So this is the destruction of the souls and spirits of those unable to defend themselves. It should be obvious that demons have taken control of every aspect of America society-- social, cultural, educational, and political.

So what can Christians do in this situation? There are still people out there who are fighting against these evils. and Christians can support them financially and with prayers. Also Christians have two weapons to fight evil -- prayer and rebuking the works of darkness. Christians should be encouraging all parents to totally remove their children from public schools, and Christians can speak out against every attempt to promote evil. A pastor in Alberta was arrested simply for speaking out against drag queen shows, but he did speak out. Christians should also be calling for the arrest and prosecution of all the evildoers. All we need to do is go to Romans 13 and see what God has to say about how evildoers should be stopped.

We also know that behind all this is the New World Order, and eventually the reign of the Antichrist. But God will allow wickedness and evil to prevail and dominate for only a short time. There is no question that major divine judgments will be poured out on America and the world, but America will be judged more severely than many other nations, since America had the light of the Gospel and a Constitution to uphold liberty and justice for all, and America threw it all away.
You know that what you describe, maby not in Detail, this was the situation Jesus came into the world. And he does not taught us to fight against the evil politicans and rulers of the time. So why we should do today?
Our task as followers of Christ is to spread the gospel. And I would suppose we have to do enough with this.
And dont think that America will be judged more then other countrys.
From beginning of america, the constitution was seemly only for the white people as the history shows. So it is not New what you fond now in the states. And in the almost all other countrys today.
 

wolfwint

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Putin: West Discussing ‘Arms Deliveries’ While China Trying To Broker ‘Peace’
https://www.infowars.com/posts/puti...eliveries-while-china-trying-to-broker-peace/

It is now crystal clear to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear that the West is hell-bent on continuing the war in Ukraine, even if it kills all the Ukrainians with depleted uranium (a very serious health hazard). The West is totally opposed to any negotiated peace settlement, and is actually sabotaging the peace plan presented by China! Can anyone imagine that the West would be the source of war, death, and destruction, when all along the West was committed to peace, freedom, and democracy?

How does one explain this? Well the fundamental reason is that the Western politicians have handed themselves over to Satan, and are working on Satan's agenda -- STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY. But there are several secondary reasons for this total insanity.

1. America has failed in all its recent wars, and especially in Afghanistan. A major victory was handed to the Taliban on a silver platter, and the USA is directly responsible for the war crimes committed by the Taliban by freely giving them arms, ammunition, and all kinds of weaponry. What should have happened is that Biden should have been arrested for treason, and the whole military leadership should have faced court martial. But this did not happen. So now, instead of dealing with the real issues, the Biden administration has created a sham issue with a proxy war in Ukraine. Not only that but they also sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline, then shifted the blame to Russia.

2. The American Communists who have hijacked the government of America have committed themselves to the total destruction of America from within. The plan is to establish a totalitarian Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Racist regime and destroy the lives of everyone (while using Climate Change as an excuse). Which includes the destruction of the economy, the banks, and all the institutions that exist. This is also why over a hundred billion dollars have gone to Ukraine, with little or no accountability and zero results. America has also depleted its own capability to defend itself, and the generals have committed themselves to Wokeism and mandatory vaccinations in order to destroy the military from within. So this Ukrainian war is now a distraction to avert people from waking up to what is really happening in the USA.

3. The fake president in the White House and all his officials are basically corrupt Leftist incompetents, most of whom should be behind bars. But there is no one to arrest them and prosecute them since the DOJ, the FBI, and the courts have been thoroughly corrupted in order to promote the Leftist agenda. Everyone knows that this administration is a total failure and also a danger to America, but the Marines and Special Forces have done nothing to deal with all these domestic enemies. Donald Trump s now vowing to destroy the Deep State, but that should have already happened on his watch. He could have made a clean sweep of all the Alligators in the Swamp but failed to do so.

4. The new state religion of America is now Climate Change, diversity, equity, and inclusion (basically Black Racism), Wokeism, Transgenderism, the corruption of little school children with drag queen shows, illegal injection of children with mRNA vaccines, pornography, and Communist indoctrination. All of this is totally against decency, morality, Christian values, conservative values, and plain common sense. So this is the destruction of the souls and spirits of those unable to defend themselves. It should be obvious that demons have taken control of every aspect of America society-- social, cultural, educational, and political.

So what can Christians do in this situation? There are still people out there who are fighting against these evils. and Christians can support them financially and with prayers. Also Christians have two weapons to fight evil -- prayer and rebuking the works of darkness. Christians should be encouraging all parents to totally remove their children from public schools, and Christians can speak out against every attempt to promote evil. A pastor in Alberta was arrested simply for speaking out against drag queen shows, but he did speak out. Christians should also be calling for the arrest and prosecution of all the evildoers. All we need to do is go to Romans 13 and see what God has to say about how evildoers should be stopped.

We also know that behind all this is the New World Order, and eventually the reign of the Antichrist. But God will allow wickedness and evil to prevail and dominate for only a short time. There is no question that major divine judgments will be poured out on America and the world, but America will be judged more severely than many other nations, since America had the light of the Gospel and a Constitution to uphold liberty and justice for all, and America threw it all away.
I wonders me that you support an dictatorship country which attacks a neighbour country with war and destruction with the goal to eliminate.
And defend another dictatorship country which comes along with a "peaceplan".
If russia would ocupy f.e. Alaska you would say its ok? This I dont believe. You would fight for to free Alaska. Dont you? Would it be accectable if then someone comes and tell you let us make peace, but the condition is Alaska now belongs to russia. And the USA should give up all weapons and have no army anymore. Thats what russia wants from the ucraine.
And that little countrys in the Baltikum which belongs to the NATO have fear that this Zar Putin will attack them too in plan to build a great russia again is understandable. So what the Western governments should do? Wait and see? You are not serious.
 

HeIsHere

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I wonders me that you support an dictatorship country which attacks a neighbour country with war and destruction with the goal to eliminate.
And defend another dictatorship country which comes along with a "peaceplan".
If russia would ocupy f.e. Alaska you would say its ok? This I dont believe. You would fight for to free Alaska. Dont you? Would it be accectable if then someone comes and tell you let us make peace, but the condition is Alaska now belongs to russia. And the USA should give up all weapons and have no army anymore. Thats what russia wants from the ucraine.
And that little countrys in the Baltikum which belongs to the NATO have fear that this Zar Putin will attack them too in plan to build a great russia again is understandable. So what the Western governments should do? Wait and see? You are not serious.
And when NATO moves and advances towards Russia, is that okay?
NATO promised it would not.
 

Dude653

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They don't
 

wolfwint

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And when NATO moves and advances towards Russia, is that okay?
NATO promised it would not.
The NATO is alone from its weapons/forces not able to do it. For what reason? The people here have fear. Nobody likes to have a war. Putin is the One who states openly his dreams of a great russia, which encludes Belarus and the Ucraine.
 

HeIsHere

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The NATO is alone from its weapons/forces not able to do it. For what reason? The people here have fear. Nobody likes to have a war. Putin is the One who states openly his dreams of a great russia, which encludes Belarus and the Ucraine.
No one wants war and I do not think even Russia wanted this war, when you see the USA and NATO as the aggressor you will understand the nature of this conflict.

Russia stated many times that continued NATO expansion was to them an existential threat, this is a proxy war against Russia

attempting to bring about regime change so the New World Order can come to fruition, yet the world is moving in the opposite direction of multi

polarity. Study the historical record from both sides and you will see that NATO and the USA are not innocent in this travesty.
 

wolfwint

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And when NATO moves and advances towards Russia, is that okay?
NATO promised it would not.
The NATO is alone from its weapons/forces not able to do it. For what reason? The people here have fear. Nobody likes to have a war. Putin is the One who states openly his dreams of a great russia, which encludes Belarus and the Ucraine.
No one wants war and I do not think even Russia wanted this war, when you see the USA and NATO as the aggressor you will understand the nature of this conflict.

Russia stated many times that continued NATO expansion was to them an existential threat, this is a proxy war against Russia

attempting to bring about regime change so the New World Order can come to fruition, yet the world is moving in the opposite direction of multi

polarity. Study the historical record from both sides and you will see that NATO and the USA are not innocent in this travesty.
I know that no state is realy following Christian values.
Putin is opressing his own nation. And of course you can they the Western countrys provoke it. But there is
1. the question of an country to have the right to choose their own political direction.
2. The West put in the last 40 years there army forces down. Special in germany. We had till Putins attack a strong peace movement in germany. And Putin began his war when the Party which supportes the peace movement at strongest came in ruling germany. And this peace Party was the first which said we have to support the Ukraine.
The west was and is not able to be attack russia. And for this is the West no danger for russia.
3. At least one year before Putin attacks the ucraine he revealed a paper where he planed ro Unite Russia, Belarus and Ucraine to One great country under his ruling.
4. Putin is a dictator and he accepts no other meaning. There is no free will or speech. You like to live in an country where it is not allowed free speech?
No free Religion? Allows no free meaning?
5. Putin in this war allows to destroy civilists in rapining ucrain girls and womans, killing them, deporting ucraining children to Russia for brainwashing. Tell me how this is to excuse?
6. When Putin took the Krim and some of the eastparts of ucraine the Western countrys believed to find a peaceful way out of it. Till 24 february 2022!

You can trust Putins propaganda. I do not
trust this murderer.
 

HeIsHere

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The NATO is alone from its weapons/forces not able to do it. For what reason? The people here have fear. Nobody likes to have a war. Putin is the One who states openly his dreams of a great russia, which encludes Belarus and the Ucraine.


I know that no state is realy following Christian values.
Putin is opressing his own nation. And of course you can they the Western countrys provoke it. But there is
1. the question of an country to have the right to choose their own political direction.
2. The West put in the last 40 years there army forces down. Special in germany. We had till Putins attack a strong peace movement in germany. And Putin began his war when the Party which supportes the peace movement at strongest came in ruling germany. And this peace Party was the first which said we have to support the Ukraine.
The west was and is not able to be attack russia. And for this is the West no danger for russia.
3. At least one year before Putin attacks the ucraine he revealed a paper where he planed ro Unite Russia, Belarus and Ucraine to One great country under his ruling.
4. Putin is a dictator and he accepts no other meaning. There is no free will or speech. You like to live in an country where it is not allowed free speech?
No free Religion? Allows no free meaning?
5. Putin in this war allows to destroy civilists in rapining ucrain girls and womans, killing them, deporting ucraining children to Russia for brainwashing. Tell me how this is to excuse?
6. When Putin took the Krim and some of the eastparts of ucraine the Western countrys believed to find a peaceful way out of it. Till 24 february 2022!

You can trust Putins propaganda. I do not
trust this murderer.

I am sure you have heard the first causality of war is truth, so I am not unaware of propaganda, however the historic public record is

is pretty clear if USA and NATO have the right to bring about regime change you should know that aggressor countries do not have

altruistic motives, their motives are usually money, coveted resources and power.


If you want to understand this conflict go back to when the USSR collapsed.
 

wolfwint

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I am sure you have heard the first causality of war is truth, so I am not unaware of propaganda, however the historic public record is

is pretty clear if USA and NATO have the right to bring about regime change you should know that aggressor countries do not have

altruistic motives, their motives are usually money, coveted resources and power.


If you want to understand this conflict go back to when the USSR collapsed.
What I should understand? This conflict is clear to me. Putin is not hiding his plans.
I know that countrys all over the world present and in past did crime to another nations. This is known from the beginning of history and it will be till Jesus makes them an end.
Also I believe that this conflict is like the corona Pandemie a step to preparing the time of the antichrist.
 

HeIsHere

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What I should understand? This conflict is clear to me. Putin is not hiding his plans.
I know that countrys all over the world present and in past did crime to another nations. This is known from the beginning of history and it will be till Jesus makes them an end.
Also I believe that this conflict is like the corona Pandemie a step to preparing the time of the antichrist.
Okay, I do not share your end time view.
You vilify one side and do not present the evils of the Ukrainian leader and how he is a puppet of the West, therefore I know your argument it polemic and not fully informed.
 

ZNP

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I don't think that is true. There are many fortunes made from war. I think it is demonstrably true that bankers like the Rothschilds do want war. Bankers loan a lot of money during war. What bankers don't want is for loans to be paid off, they want them to go on and on for perpetuity, and that is what happens after war. All the companies that sell to the military also profit from war. Also the people who get the contracts to rebuild after the war will make a lot of money as well. Also, all those refugees, they just gave away their land, for free. If we don't understand that there are people who really do want war we won't really understand the problem or the solution. 80% of the solution is simple, celebrate the Jubilee. On the jubilee year you forgive all debts. This would eliminate any motivation to have wars for banks as those debts.

This also explains why the US has been constantly in wars since WWII and it also explains the vicious attacks at any cost on Trump because he put a stop to it, at least for four years.
 

HeIsHere

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I don't think that is true.
Yes I agree, I was thinking about the common people, generally "we the peopl" would like to live in peace.

I really wish people around here would learn to read my mind. :D jk
 

ZNP

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Yes I agree, I was thinking about the common people, generally "we the peopl" would like to live in peace.

I really wish people around here would learn to read my mind. :D jk
Yes, I agree that the vast majority of Americans do not want war and yet we have one war after another. To me that proves we are not in a democracy, we are not in a representative republic, they want to pretend it is a democracy but that is simply a Hollywood set.
 

wolfwint

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Okay, I do not share your end time view.
You vilify one side and do not present the evils of the Ukrainian leader and how he is a puppet of the West, therefore I know your argument it polemic and not fully informed.
Of course I am not fully informed, about all what is running behind. But I see what is obviously. Killed people, raped woman and deported children. One state which attacks another state with the goal to eleminate all people who are not willing to live under russian flag and rules.
If you would tolerante this if you would be in the skin of an ucrainian is your bear.
But I know that people defend Putin and his antichristian system.
As follower of Christ I should be on the side of the supressed people.