Some clarity needed.

John 3:6

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Are these two verses in any way related.

If there not related does each new person get given a unique soul from birth.

Other old testament verses talk about people taking about there soul.

I'm assuming flesh does not give birth to a soul either.

The way you phrase your question I cannot answer. Is there a relation? Yes, to a degree. I will give you want I know about soul, and you can figure it out.

The verse in Gen 2:7 is a figure of speech (anthropopatheia) or condescension. Which is the ascription of human passions, action, or attributes… to God …since God is Spirit.

Soul (nephesh) or soul life (nephesh chay) is in the blood. Soul life was first created in mammals in Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

The word living is chay = living or alive

The word creature is nephesh = soul

Where is the soul

Lev 17:11 For the life (nephesh) of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The word life is the word (nephesh) = soul

The life of the soul is in the blood.

We know blood is what sustains life: Oxygen is delivered throughout the body by means of the red blood cells ….actually… it is the hemoglobin molecules from the red cells that deliver the oxygen to the individual cells in the body tissue. The bloodstream also picks up CO2 from the body and returns it to the lunges to be exhaled…

When we die?

The heart, which pumps the blood, which delivers the oxygen to the brain …… stops….. soul life ceases in that particular person…. but is carried on through prodigy. But if there is no offspring, the soul is gone when that person dies;

The Bible clearly warns of apostacy. So we accept what is written. The scriptures speak of security in Christ and of apostacy. It seems a paradox, but it is written therefore so it is. Im not going to pretend to know better than what God has seen fit to be printed for us.

After reading the billion previous threads on Eternal Security, I can guarantee CLARITY is the last thing you will get.

BOTH sides are correct in this question.

Those of you that believe you can lose your Salvation can! You are right.
But Those of us that know we can never lose our Salvation are correct as well. Because we know the One who gave it, and maintains it for us, and He knows us as well!

That's the best clarity you'll get on this issue.

that's a contradiction. it's either 1 or the other. where does God teach in the Bible if you believe you can lose your salvation you can? He doesn't, it's no where to be found! that is the wrong message.

I know.

I was being facetious!

Read it again.

After reading the billion previous threads on Eternal Security, I can guarantee CLARITY is the last thing you will get.

BOTH sides are correct in this question.

Those of you that believe you can lose your Salvation can! You are right.
But Those of us that know we can never lose our Salvation are correct as well. Because we know the One who gave it, and maintains it for us, and He knows us as well!

That's the best clarity you'll get on this issue.

Do you believe you could forfeit your salvation..

• No
  Votes: 675.0%
• Yes
  Votes: 225.0%

• Total voters 8

It's a shame people don't know what the scriptures say. Those who say you can't forfeit their salvation are deceived.

2 Thessalonians 2:3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Christians are backsliding even now (apostasy), departing from the faith, rebelling from God.
It doesn't mean they've forsaken religion. It means they've changed religions & believed a lie.
Now it's a salvation that offers grace no matter what you do, & that a one-time-only act of faith will save them.
That's what happens when we accept another Jesus, receive another grace, & use another faith.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Do you believe you could forfeit your salvation..

• No
  Votes: 675.0%
• Yes
  Votes: 225.0%

• Total voters 8

It's a shame people don't know what the scriptures say. Those who say you can't forfeit their salvation are deceived.

2 Thessalonians 2:3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Christians are backsliding even now (apostasy), departing from the faith, rebelling from God.
It doesn't mean they've forsaken religion. It means they've changed religions & believed a lie.
Now it's a salvation that offers grace no matter what you do, & that a one-time-only act of faith will save them.
That's what happens when we accept another Jesus, receive another grace, & use another faith.

could you at least think about post 14.

Because you may not be realising it, but your promoting blasphemy of the holy spirit.

If I understand this ... you're saying those never were christians to begin with?