Salvation is for the Whole World
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Yes, I believe that you paraphrased incorrectly. Here is the exact verse, at least according to the KJV.
The key to it is the "hear my voice". to be able to hear Christ's voice (in the Bible) is the prerequisite. To truly hear, is to hear spiritually with spiritual ears, not human ears. Spiritual hearing accompanies being born-again which is from becoming saved. Only they have it and can hear.
[Rev 3:20 KJV] 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
The key to it is the "hear my voice". to be able to hear Christ's voice (in the Bible) is the prerequisite. To truly hear, is to hear spiritually with spiritual ears, not human ears. Spiritual hearing accompanies being born-again which is from becoming saved. Only they have it and can hear.
[Rev 3:20 KJV] 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
[Jhn 8:43 KJV] 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
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or "whomsoever"
Strong's Greek: 5100
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
any, anything, whomsoever
An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object -- a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, + partly, some (man, -body, - thing, -what), (+ that no-)thing, what(-soever), X wherewith, whom(-soever), whose(-soever).
Strong's Greek: 5100
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
any, anything, whomsoever
An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object -- a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, + partly, some (man, -body, - thing, -what), (+ that no-)thing, what(-soever), X wherewith, whom(-soever), whose(-soever).
Calvinists seem all so very nice tho...
ε. ἑστηκώς ἐπί τήν θύραν καί κρούων is said of Christ seeking entrance into souls, and they who comply with his entreaty are said ἀνοίγειν τήν θύραν, Revelation 3:20.
I can't read Greek here without helps but, I'mna bet it says "Behold I stand at the door and knock," and "that open the door" respectively.
I would say it as only those that hear are born again, and not so much that those that don't are incapable of listening.
ε. ἑστηκώς ἐπί τήν θύραν καί κρούων is said of Christ seeking entrance into souls, and they who comply with his entreaty are said ἀνοίγειν τήν θύραν, Revelation 3:20.
I can't read Greek here without helps but, I'mna bet it says "Behold I stand at the door and knock," and "that open the door" respectively.
I would say it as only those that hear are born again, and not so much that those that don't are incapable of listening.
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Well, I have a habit of not listening to the voice of strangers. 
check but now you won't get it because you didn't want to listen. Guess what, I am from the
lottery commission, and no check for you, young lady.
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. (Jn 17:9)
i find this perplexing, because if your interpretation is true, we have the Lord Jesus dying for "the world", enduring the wrath of God for them, paying the penalty due them, but He won't even pray for them??
perhaps we ought to look at the numerous ways the Apostle John uses the word world?
i find this perplexing, because if your interpretation is true, we have the Lord Jesus dying for "the world", enduring the wrath of God for them, paying the penalty due them, but He won't even pray for them??
perhaps we ought to look at the numerous ways the Apostle John uses the word world?
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